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View Poll Results: Who was the Most Heinous Star Trek Villain? (Choose up to 3)
The Sphere Builders 5 6.33%
Parmen 1 1.27%
Khan 25 31.65%
Khan (NuTrek) 10 12.66%
Kang 5 6.33%
General Chang 10 12.66%
Admiral Cartwright 5 6.33%
Armus 13 16.46%
The House of Duras 3 3.80%
Seska 1 1.27%
Soran 5 6.33%
The Borg Queen 26 32.91%
Luther Sloan 6 7.59%
Kai Winn 14 17.72%
Gul Dukat 35 44.30%
The Female Changeling 19 24.05%
Annorax 4 5.06%
Shinzon 6 7.59%
Nero 7 8.86%
Alexander Marcus 3 3.80%
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Old December 2 2013, 04:35 PM   #91
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^Synonyms for heinous; odious, wicked, evil, atrocious, monstrous, abominable, detestable, contemptible, reprehensible, despicable, egregious, horrific, terrible, awful, abhorrent, loathsome, hideous, unspeakable, execrable; iniquities, or villainous.

All of these characters can be heinous in one form or another.
The Romulan Commander from "Balance of Terror" doesn't fit any of the above. That was the whole point of the episode.
I would call blindingly following orders (especially if it means destroying your ship and crew) as reprehensible or inequitable and immoral.

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Old December 2 2013, 04:40 PM   #92
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I would call blindingly following orders (especially if it means destroying your ship and crew) could count as reprehensible or inequitable and immoral.
Or it could simply be the right thing to do by keeping that technology from falling into enemy hands.

You're trying to judge the character by human standards, which is simply wrong.
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Old December 2 2013, 04:53 PM   #93
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^True, but labeling anyone heinous is generally their point of view (depending on how they define it), and from a human standpoint (being that we are all human) we could call him heinous for his Romulan actions. In TNG (and DS9 too IIRC) there were moments where Romulans where desperately trying to leave that mindset. They may have been heinous to other Romulans but moral to humans.
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Old February 19 2014, 12:53 PM   #94
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Re: The Most Heinous Star Trek Villain

The Borg Queen, Shinzon and Kai Winn.
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Old February 19 2014, 01:13 PM   #95
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General Chang, khan and Gul Dukat
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Old February 19 2014, 02:36 PM   #96
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Had to go with Annorax, oddly enough. VOY had its problems but he was one of the best Trek villains period, chillingly monstrous with a psychologically realistic core, and more truly heinous in the larger sense than Khan.

My first pick would have been Kivas Fajo -- am I going to cause angst by asking "why no Kivas Fajo"? His is a much more personal, intimate heinousness and in some ways more creepy and effective because of that; he's no world-destroying super-baddie, just a greedy, petty, pretentious sociopath, and he's all the more memorable for that.
I agree with you--in old Trek I'm reminded of Parmen in this mold, and he was a lying sadist, but Fajo certainly had more style. His general cheerfulness was super-creepy.

I'm going to put in my own vote for Weyoun for second place: smarmy, machinating, and coldly but affably uncaring about anyone or anything else but himself and the Founders.

And 3rd...the Vidians as a species. Not evil, per se, just...heinous. I mean, we're talking Frankenstein stuff here. With live people.
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Old February 19 2014, 05:42 PM   #97
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Khan, Chang, and Dukat. Voted for Borg Queen by mistake.
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Old February 19 2014, 08:01 PM   #98
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The Borg (not the queen specifically), Dukat, and Khan stand above the rest.
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Old February 20 2014, 02:58 AM   #99
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-Dukat. The brilliant thing about his character was that he was given just enough humanity and awareness to make his crimes all the more wicked. He's a man who's so willingly self deluded and so obsessed with not truly examining his own sins that he actually resents the enslaved and abused people he oversees for not loving him. Someone not able to become good because he can never once question if any of his acts have been evil.

-Female Changeling. The scene that sold me was her discussion with Odo about how they have to break the solid's love of freedom and be "guided" by the Founders. The contemptuous disdain and racism towards our heroes is bad enough, but the entire War arc demonstrates how even the other species in the Dominion mean so little to her; Vorta made with no sense of aesthetics because they weren't deemed necessary, the Jem'Hadar inborn to obey their masters even when they're betrayed to their deaths; the Cardassians eventually turned cannon fodder because they aren't important. Its telling that compared to even an eventual obsessively insane megalomaniac like Dukat, she still seems more cold-hearted.

-Kivas Fajo. The genuinely sociopathic nature of the character, underneath all of his quirks make him one of the subtly darkest villains in the history of TNG. He has no empathy for anyone, only cares about his immediate personal desires, and his somewhat childish nature belies just how damn selfishly evil he is.
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Old February 21 2014, 12:36 AM   #100
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-Dukat. The brilliant thing about his character was that he was given just enough humanity and awareness to make his crimes all the more wicked. He's a man who's so willingly self deluded and so obsessed with not truly examining his own sins that he actually resents the enslaved and abused people he oversees for not loving him. Someone not able to become good because he can never once question if any of his acts have been evil.
I'd like to add one other thing to your Dukat summary; toward the end, he was more like a force of chaos than any mere villain (and I mean even before he hooked up with the Pah Wraiths).
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Old February 21 2014, 01:29 AM   #101
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^He did lose everything.
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