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Old February 20 2014, 03:50 AM   #1
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Sell me on Kes.

I have tried and tried to come around on her and I just can't. I find the character bland and the actress wooden. Please help me look at the positives about all things Kes and maybe I can change my perspective on the character. Currently makes me cringe thinking about watching an episode in seasons one through three.
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Old February 20 2014, 03:53 AM   #2
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Re: Sell me on Kes.

This is in such poor taste!

You can't use words like "sell" when talking about ex-slaves.
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Old February 20 2014, 03:56 AM   #3
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Re: Sell me on Kes.

The sweetness.. never did it for me. Sweet is Quark being sweet against his better judgement, not "oh I am just sweet because I was born that way". I actually couldn't stand her for the first few viewings of VOY but I am now meh about her.

But I'm sure someone else will be able to help you out
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Old February 20 2014, 04:01 AM   #4
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Re: Sell me on Kes.

I didn't like her at first and for a while. But upon re-watching for the umpteenth time, I've upgraded to that she's alright. A little too sweet though.
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Old February 20 2014, 04:06 AM   #5
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Re: Sell me on Kes.

Kes is amazing. She's less than two years old when we meet her, but from the beginning she projects the wisdom, serenity, and self-possession of a Vulcan elder, but with deep compassion as well. She was victimized, but didn't let it break her spirit or dull her joy at discovering new things, her willingness to reach out to people and inspire them.

I wouldn't say she was "sweet," not in a Disney-saccharine way. She was kind and caring and gentle, but with an underlying poise and dignity that I found very impressive.

Granted, the writers largely wasted her character by keeping her stuck in sickbay; with her short lifespan, she should've been devouring life, eager to expand her horizons and discover everything while she could. We did see some of that in season 3, though. And she had a great rapport with Janeway, really bringing out the captain's maternal side.

And "wooden"? I can't understand that reaction. Jennifer Lien did a superb job, controlled but sincere. She did a great job when given a chance to stretch; her performance as Tieran in "Warlord" was nicely menacing and an impressive departure from her usual performance. I can't remember ever being disappointed in her acting. And she had a really beautiful voice that I just loved listening to. (She had a brief career as a voice actress after Voyager. You should hear her as Agent L in Men in Black: The Series -- an incredibly sultry and sexy vocal performance.)

And when they finally let her ditch the pixie wig and use her real hair in season 3, she looked magnificent. Particularly in that black catsuit with the velvety fabric.
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Old February 20 2014, 04:16 AM   #6
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Re: Sell me on Kes.

Thanks Christopher for your thoughts that was excellent and insightful.
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Old February 20 2014, 04:37 AM   #7
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Re: Sell me on Kes.

I always liked Kes. She was pleasant and beautiful, and I agree that her voice was magnificent.

Kes is sort of like a hybrid of the Manic Pixie Dream Girl, but without the Mania, and the Mary Sue, but without the overbearing or (I'm assuming) author avatar parts.

One of the points where Voyager approached distinction, in terms of the drama it brought to the table, was the flirtation that Tom and Kes had. I consider it a missed opportunity that VOY couldn't bring itself to depict Tom and Kes having an affair, at least outside the fig leaf of an alternate future. Flawed characters, thy name is not Star Trek.
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Old February 20 2014, 04:42 AM   #8
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Re: Sell me on Kes.

During mating season, glue comes out of her hands, so that Kes can adhere to a lover for at least 50 hours until she is fertilized.
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Old February 20 2014, 06:46 AM   #9
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^Suddenly I like her a LOT better.
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Re: Sell me on Kes.

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One of the points where Voyager approached distinction, in terms of the drama it brought to the table, was the flirtation that Tom and Kes had. I consider it a missed opportunity that VOY couldn't bring itself to depict Tom and Kes having an affair, at least outside the fig leaf of an alternate future. Flawed characters, thy name is not Star Trek.
Neelix doesn't deserve to get stabbed in the back like that.
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Old February 20 2014, 07:23 AM   #11
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Re: Sell me on Kes.

You're right. She should have dumped Neelix first.
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Old February 20 2014, 07:25 AM   #12
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Re: Sell me on Kes.

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One of the points where Voyager approached distinction, in terms of the drama it brought to the table, was the flirtation that Tom and Kes had. I consider it a missed opportunity that VOY couldn't bring itself to depict Tom and Kes having an affair, at least outside the fig leaf of an alternate future. Flawed characters, thy name is not Star Trek.
Neelix doesn't deserve to get stabbed in the back like that.
Of course he doesn't. That's drama. I'll eat my shorts if there wasn't a person who watched Voyager who cheated on his or her partner/spouse (with ketchup and mustard to help them go down).
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Old February 20 2014, 07:32 AM   #13
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Re: Sell me on Kes.

If kes had cheated, Neelix would have murdered people.
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Old February 20 2014, 07:34 AM   #14
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If kes had cheated, Neelix would have murdered people.
I think he would have bawled and had a breakdown, at least.
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Old February 20 2014, 08:03 AM   #15
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Re: Sell me on Kes.

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One of the points where Voyager approached distinction, in terms of the drama it brought to the table, was the flirtation that Tom and Kes had. I consider it a missed opportunity that VOY couldn't bring itself to depict Tom and Kes having an affair, at least outside the fig leaf of an alternate future. Flawed characters, thy name is not Star Trek.
Neelix doesn't deserve to get stabbed in the back like that.
Of course he doesn't. That's drama. I'll eat my shorts if there wasn't a person who watched Voyager who cheated on his or her partner/spouse (with ketchup and mustard to help them go down).
But Kes is all fluffy and innocent and kind and wise and empathetic and sympathetic and selfless and full of encouragement and care! She couldn't stab Neelix in the back with an affair, she just couldn't.. which is why she is so boring.
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