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Old February 19 2014, 02:34 PM   #1
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Does Kirk Contribute to the Transporter Accident in TMP?

Scotty and Decker are working in engineering. Decker detects a bad transporter circuit. Kirk shows up in the middle of the job to tell Decker (who politely tries to tell Kirk he's busy) that he's taking the center seat. Moments later there is a transporter malfunction resulting in goo on a transporter pad.
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Old February 19 2014, 03:39 PM   #2
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Re: Does Kirk Contribute to the Transporter Accident in TMP?

Decker had found that the transporter mechanism modules were "faulty". Under normal circumstances, maybe, he would have immediately notified Starfleet but Kirk interrupted the scene and distracted Decker. Odd thing that nobody else felt responsible to do something about it.

Curiously, when I read the thread title I was thinking that Kirk's takeover of the transporter room controls could have contributed to the accident.

The scene is one of the weakest points in the film. Kirk had been a paper pusher for approx. 2.8 years at Starfleet and suddenly he thought he could do a better job than the transporter specialist, Janice Rand probably was at that time.

Entirely possible that Kirk only made matters worse in the transporter room than being of any actual help (OTOH this set the theme for his next screw-up).

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Old February 19 2014, 04:13 PM   #3
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Re: Does Kirk Contribute to the Transporter Accident in TMP?

I always thought that it was already too late by the time Kirk arrived in the transporter room. They never should have been beamed up to the ship in the first place with the system still not working properly (it was why Kirk & Scotty went aboard via a travel pod).
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Old February 19 2014, 04:47 PM   #4
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Re: Does Kirk Contribute to the Transporter Accident in TMP?

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Decker had found that the transporter mechanism modules were "faulty". Under normal circumstances, maybe, he would have immediately notified Starfleet but Kirk interrupted the scene and distracted Decker. Odd thing that nobody else felt responsible to do something about it.

Curiously, when I read the thread title I was thinking that Kirk's takeover of the transporter room controls could have contributed to the accident.

The scene is one of the weakest points in the film. Kirk had been a paper pusher for approx. 2.8 years at Starfleet and suddenly he thought he could do a better job than the transporter specialist, Janice Rand probably was at that time.

Entirely possible that Kirk only made matters worse in the transporter room than being of any actual help (OTOH this set the theme for his next screw-up).

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Yeah, he does Bogart the controls, doesn't he?

But he is correct in consoling Rand - it certainly wasn't her fault.
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Old February 19 2014, 06:13 PM   #5
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Re: Does Kirk Contribute to the Transporter Accident in TMP?

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Kirk had been a paper pusher for approx. 2.8 years at Starfleet and suddenly he thought he could do a better job than the transporter specialist, Janice Rand probably was at that time.
Shhhhh! It's true, but Kirk hates so much the paper pushers!
It would have made indeed more sense with Scotty and not Kirk trying to help Rand. Kirk's good to comfort women, but he certainly doesn't have more than the basic knowledge about transporters. If I'm not wrong, he past the most of his career befor his captaincy on the bridge.
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Old February 19 2014, 08:06 PM   #6
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The color fotonovel of TMP (i.e., Star Trek The Motion Picture The Photostory, edited by Richard J. Anobile) omits the scene entirely, and it was a good choice to do so.
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Old February 19 2014, 08:25 PM   #7
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Re: Does Kirk Contribute to the Transporter Accident in TMP?

IIRC the novelization even notes that Kirk's caught off-guard by the transporter controls having been reconfigured. He's not explicitly blamed for the situation, but there's a suggestion that he didn't make things any better either.
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Old February 19 2014, 08:25 PM   #8
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I'm going to say No.

Whilst he might have been talking to Decker there was another Engineer working. Who informed them of the red line on the Transporter.

If the Transporter system wasn't in working order, they should never have attempted a transport.

By the time Kirk got to the transporter room it looked like it might have already been too late.
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Old February 19 2014, 09:13 PM   #9
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If Scotty had stayed on the Enterprise to work the problem and simply have sent some yeoman lacky to pick up Kirk, the transporter problem might have been fix before Kirk even docked.

Those two peoples deaths were Scotty's fault.


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Old February 19 2014, 09:37 PM   #10
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But he is correct in consoling Rand - it certainly wasn't her fault.


And after the mess he left behind for others to clean up he got sober rather fast. The tone with Decker in the corridor, following this scene, didn't suggest he would even shed a tear for those two that just died terribly.

I concur with gottacook, not a bad thing that the photonovel omitted the scene.

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Old February 19 2014, 10:05 PM   #11
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Re: Does Kirk Contribute to the Transporter Accident in TMP?

The dialog is:

DECKER
I knew it! The transporter sensor
was not activated. Faulty module(s).

SCOTTY
Cleary, put a new backup sensor into the unit.

The implication is that the faulty sensor made it appear that the transporter was fine because it didn't detect the malfunction. The moment they tried it, all hell broke loose. (Obviously they should have immediately cut power to the transporter until the sensor was replaced.)
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Old February 19 2014, 10:26 PM   #12
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Re: Does Kirk Contribute to the Transporter Accident in TMP?

Along with the points already mentioned in the thread, what also gets to me is slightly later after that, when Starfleet reports someone hesitating to beam up, and Kirk smiles at Rand because they know which kooky, grumpy ol' country doctor it is. Excuse me, but after two people die, McCoy's hesitation is quite understandable, and no, you don't get to smirk like you're part of an inside joke! In the real world, if an elevator malfunctions (nevermind actually killing someone), the elevator is rendered out of comission between a few hours to a couple days. If transporters are as common as elevators, then the transporters too should have deactivated.

I'd like to think that's why Spock's shuttle goes through all those fancy flight acrobatics before docking onto the Enterprise, just do delay Rand (Kirk?) from getting a lock.

Kirk: You know, if you just stand still, we can beam you aboard."
Spock: NO! I mean, uh, that is not necessary. Your offer is most kind, but I will provide my own transportation. *phew*
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Old February 19 2014, 11:03 PM   #13
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I suspect the tone issue is why they cut the "joke" in the transporter room out in the first place. It's tone deaf, and the scene is better going straight to Bones beaming in, as it was in the theatrical cut.
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Old February 19 2014, 11:53 PM   #14
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Re: Does Kirk Contribute to the Transporter Accident in TMP?

Going back and looking again at TMP footage has made it very clear to me just how many opportunities the creators took to show Kirk's unfamiliarity with the refit design. From the Ensign's sanctimonious offer to show Kirk to the bridge (the turbolift is RIGHT THERE), things just go downhill for the admiral:
  • He pops into the Bridge OK, then travels down to Engineering. unfortunately, he gets off one level too high and is forced to take a 1-man lift down the rest of the way.
  • When the alarm sounds, he races out the door and appears to turn RIGHT - completely opposite to where he entered in from on the level above.
  • Reaching the Transporter Room with Scotty, he forcibly assists with corporate manslaughter (Kirk is more qualified to man the controls than a Transporter Specialist - REALLY?)
  • He leaves the Transporter Room and appears completely baffled at which way to turn, even though he was JUST THERE MOMENTS AGO!! Having to ask a passing ensign for directions is bad enough for Kik's ego, but to be caught by Decker in the act - eek!
  • The final amusing thing (from a stageplan perspective) is that after being told the location for "Turboshaft 8" Kirk walks on up the corridor AWAY from the turbolift doors!
I'm being a little cruel, obviously. However, It really doesn't paint Kirk in the greatest light so early in the story.
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Old February 20 2014, 02:31 AM   #15
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IIRC the novelization even notes that Kirk's caught off-guard by the transporter controls having been reconfigured. He's not explicitly blamed for the situation, but there's a suggestion that he didn't make things any better either.
Please let's not bring the novel into this. Then you have to make Kirk's girlfriend Lori (Lori? Really?) one of the victims, which puts a whole new slant on who is responsible for her death. (Perhaps he secretly wanted her dead, and poor Sonak was just collateral damage.)

The world is a poorer place for novelist Roddenberry not having had a decent editor to show him, gently, why a super-overabundance of words in italics is not a good idea.
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