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The Next Generation All Good Things come to an end...but not here.

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Old February 16 2014, 04:28 PM   #31
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I just think badassery is overrated
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Old February 16 2014, 07:36 PM   #32
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If you believe that the Narada's attack on the Kelvin is indeed the true point of divergence between the prime and JJverse ...
When it comes right down to it, I really don't.

I have read the explanations in favor, and the arguments too, and I just think that it the JJ-verse and the prime Trek-verse never were "one."

YMMV

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Old February 16 2014, 09:06 PM   #33
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If Kirk can be recast, then so can his dad. Kirk Prime's father may have been played by Eric Allan Kramer.
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Old February 16 2014, 10:55 PM   #34
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"Kirk vs. Picard" was an artificial debate manufactured by mainstream magazines like TV Guide. Most fans didn't care.
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Old February 16 2014, 11:42 PM   #35
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I do not *want* that, but that's where it always seems to come to.

I mean, a show about giant ships zooming through space with bombastic orchestral music, aliens, special effects, hot babes and all that jazz -- and they make an episode about a LITTLE FLUTE? come on!
The episode was not about the flute. It was about Picard experiencing another life as a member of an entirely different people who wanted to be remembered.
On that note - I've always thought the episode was slightly hampered by the fact that the culture of Kataan is indistinguishable from every other single-village, tabard-wearing planet the D ever visited. The probe plan to tell the universe all about their lost ways seems kind of a waste of effort tbh.
The people of Kataan didn't know that.

It's like the Voyager Record sent out with the probes... maybe every other technological civilization does something similar - if so, should that make our effort pointless?

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But he got a flute!
There seems to be a lot of emphasis in this thread on the flute. Flutes, properly played, are beautiful instruments. Flute music can relax you, it can make you want to dance, it can be sublime.

Would you be happier if Picard had been gifted a trumpet? A kazoo? A drum set?

Maybe a baliset? (Dune reference for those unfamiliar with the 1984 Dune movie in which Patrick Stewart played Gurney Halleck - an elite fighter who also sang and played the 9-stringed baliset; a deleted scene shows him actually playing it, and it's HORRIBLE).
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Old February 16 2014, 11:59 PM   #36
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^^Flutes can be very cool. Can you imagine Jethro Tull without Ian Anderson's one-legged flute solos?
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Old February 17 2014, 01:37 AM   #37
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There seems to be a lot of emphasis in this thread on the flute. Flutes, properly played, are beautiful instruments. Flute music can relax you, it can make you want to dance, it can be sublime.
The instrument doesn't matter. It's just laughable that people constantly point to that flute like it somehow makes the episode better than it really is.
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Old February 17 2014, 03:10 AM   #38
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For me what works about The Inner Light is the fact that Picard has always had themes about him about a suppressed desire to raise a family. We see him clinging onto his Starfleet career then finally relenting and relaxing into the family role. We see him abiding the death throes of a culture, trying to fight it then finally giving up and deciding to peacefully enjoy his last days with his family, and getting to reluctantly live out his secret desires.

The flute isn't important, it's just the one relic of his imagined life they decided to leave for him for sentimental memory.
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Old February 17 2014, 08:32 PM   #39
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I just think badassery is overrated
And you're NOT WRONG. If being a badass was all there was to being a great character, Alice from the Resident Evil movies would be considered the action hero ever created... because that's all she can do. She's so overpowered in her ability to tackle problems that hardly anything is presented as a challenge to her.

And making Picard a badass (darn you for making me type that) did Star Trek no favors. It felt out of character in First Contact and totally out of place in Nemesis. Climbing hoses is one thing, but firing a pistol in one hand and a rifle in the other went way too far. Oh, and that "I'm a badass!" entrance when he blows the door to the Scimitar's bridge fails big time, which made me cry because even Jerry Goldsmith was trying hard to make that moment work but couldn't.

If there was one thing that I didn't like about Inner Light was that it ended. I'm thankful that Picard's flute is brought back as well as the tune, but the whole experience of living a whole new life is not something I would brush aside and move on from so quickly. This was not just someone else's life he experiencing. This was Picard being put into a position where he actually accepted the possibility that his entire life as Picard was just a dream. I don't care how great your memory is, but if you move on from memories like that, you're going to forget some things.
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Old February 17 2014, 09:21 PM   #40
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The episode was not about the flute. It was about Picard experiencing another life as a member of an entirely different people who wanted to be remembered.
On that note - I've always thought the episode was slightly hampered by the fact that the culture of Kataan is indistinguishable from every other single-village, tabard-wearing planet the D ever visited. The probe plan to tell the universe all about their lost ways seems kind of a waste of effort tbh.
The people of Kataan didn't know that.

It's like the Voyager Record sent out with the probes... maybe every other technological civilization does something similar - if so, should that make our effort pointless?
No. But in this case the cookie-cutter look of Kataan adds an unfortunate level of bathos to the episode.
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Old February 18 2014, 04:24 PM   #41
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^^Flutes can be very cool. Can you imagine Jethro Tull without Ian Anderson's one-legged flute solos?
Oh man, if only Katan/Picard played his flute like THAT.

Now I want someone (because I can't) to make a video of this idea and post somewhere like youtube
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Old February 18 2014, 04:57 PM   #42
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Kirk would really "shat" himself if he came face to face with the borg though. In The Inner Light, he would react similarly to Riker.
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Old February 19 2014, 05:31 AM   #43
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So....essentially....if the 'Inner Light' episode had involved going back and living for 40 years as Ian Anderson, Picard's bad-ass pistol-in-one-hand, rifle-in-the-other scenes in the movies would have made more sense?

For the record, I totally agree.
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Old February 19 2014, 05:55 AM   #44
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I still don't think action hero picard is really out of character. Think about the tommy-gun against the borg scene. Picard plays out those detective novels on the holodeck all the time, I'm sure fantasized about doing that before.

Sure he got his ass handed to him by Soran, but would Kirk have beaten him 1v1?
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Old February 22 2014, 06:35 PM   #45
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I'm also glad to know I'm not alone in thinking "The Inner Light" is an overrated episode. I simply find it dull and uninvolving. Just not my style of episode.
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