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Old February 12 2014, 02:16 PM   #136
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Re: Mars One - Unethical?

is it available on DVD?
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Old February 15 2014, 10:40 PM   #137
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Re: Mars One - Unethical?

Robert Maxwell wrote: View Post
Anything Elon Musk says needs to be taken with a Saturn V rocket full of salt.
Ain't that the truth.

Good thing the Saturn V life cycle is already done, otherwise:

--ULA would try to kill it and replace with multiple EELV launches

--Rand Simberg would call it pork

--JPL would try to raid its budget after being spoiled by Dan Golden handing out Delta II sounding rockets like they were the lollypops handed out by an alcoholic father to silence noisy kids in the back seat of the car--they whine if you want to save candy money on a filling meal at the end of the day:
http://www.americaspace.com/?p=48460

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/20...-nuclear-2001/
Nice quote from Mr. David S. F. Portree at the comment section of his site above:

"Myself, I think there's no substitute for heavy lift. Aren't propellant depots designed to give "private" space something to do?"
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One last dig
There is this certain man named Rick who likes to fill space.com with junk op-eds against SLS http://astromaven.blogspot.com/2014/...so-called.html

--Better
http://www.americaspace.com/?p=34964

As for me, I find more credible the sober words of a wise Griffin over those of a questionable Boozer

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Old February 15 2014, 11:29 PM   #138
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Re: Mars One - Unethical?

Seriously? You're trying discredit the guy based on his last name?
At least attack his credentials or the content of his article.
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Old February 16 2014, 05:59 AM   #139
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Re: Mars One - Unethical?

Hey, at least that comment tried to use a bit of cleverness.
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Old February 16 2014, 10:18 PM   #140
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You get that it's a joke--trying to be light here
Here is something with a bit more meat:
You hear a lot of overworked phrases like "standing armies" as if that's a bad thing.

I want to see larger numbers employed in space fields, not fewer.

Offshoring jobs has hurt American industrial power--and now the same people (with "Rand" as a first name) want to do that to spaceflight? Fah!
DoD and the folks behind the Farm Bill have a lot of muscle that all but makes them cut proof--and I want spaceflight to have that same broad base of support--that same unassailable power of the Pentagon and ADM.

This is what made the Soviet Chief Designers so much more powerful than many of our NASA Chief Admins. They had less money than the US, but more bullying power, in that the missilemen there were rather like the Air Force here--they made up a real power block, and had the design bureaux fought each other less sharply--with Glushko undercutting Korolyov at every turn--the Space Race would have been even closer.

On the other hand, the whole collapse of the Air Taxi/Very Light Jet model proves you cannot depend on the invisible hand of a market that has no qualms in dropping you.
I close by posing a very important question you have to ask yourself:

Is the cause of spaceflight helped by less folks having a vested interest in space--or more?

I already know the answer to that question...and the trend has not been pretty
http://www.knowledgeorb.com/2011/11/...llte-engineer/
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Gl...Years_999.html

Oh yeah, that and the real reason Rodman was in the DPRK is that he was the only one tall enough to hook up the umbilical from the gantry to their new rocket.
Then too, maybe that's not so funny.
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/N_..._tank_999.html

Another reason to be behind "big Gov't" can be found in this exchange I had over at nextbig: http://nextbigfuture.com/2014/02/esc...ave-power.html

"The dissappointment of my career was knocking at the door of Dr. Myrabo to the unfortunate news of his retirement. The lightcraft should have the potential to carry on board lasers in 10 maybe 15 years."

My response: "This is why we need more money for gov't institutions, so the loss of any one person won't sink a line of research"

http://cosmoquest.org/forum/showthre...ce-Exploration

For those of you who want depots
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/NA...eling_999.html
http://www.space.com/24689-dangerous...est-video.html

If we ever have anything remotely like the scenario we saw in the movie Gravity, it won't be from some ASAT test or geosynch junk--it'll be some "Safe Is Not An Option" type private depot coming apart in LEO.

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