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Old February 16 2014, 12:36 AM   #16
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Re: Inner Light, LOL

With few modifications, INNER LIGHT would've made much more sense, had it been a mechanism instead of a probe that Picard found, where he was living someone else's actual memories. By living someone else's life, he could've still experienced all of that and felt a deep sense of loss at the end. Yes, Picard would've been aware he was living someone else's life, but if he couldn't get out of it until the mechanism could either be stopped, or stopped itself, it's likely he would've felt some overlap, there - like it was his family, too. I don't know. The whole idea that this is - somehow - an alien's solution to their going extinct strikes me as absurd ... even bizarre, actually. But as written, it's still got its charm. A lot of emotional drama in this one that was new to Picard, so ... it's kind of forgivable, I guess.
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Old February 16 2014, 12:49 AM   #17
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Hey, if you want a "Kirk vs. Picard" debate to swing in Kirk's favor
I do not *want* that, but that's where it always seems to come to.

I mean, a show about giant ships zooming through space with bombastic orchestral music, aliens, special effects, hot babes and all that jazz -- and they make an episode about a LITTLE FLUTE? come on!
The episode was not about the flute. It was about Picard experiencing another life as a member of an entirely different people who wanted to be remembered.
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Old February 16 2014, 12:51 AM   #18
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I fully acknowledge this as a minority opinion, but "The Inner Light", far from being one of TNG's best, is in fact one of its most tedious, boring and overrated outings.
Thank you. After twenty years, it's nice to finally find another fan bored to tears by this insipid episode.

My friends (those who are Star Trek fans, anyway) all think I'm nuts.

Of course, I also dislike TOS' most loved episode, City on the Edge of Forever, so, I'm used to being the "outsider" on this stuff.
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Old February 16 2014, 02:48 AM   #19
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I will say that I was annoyed by one aspect of the flute music: It's so very much like the Skye Boat Song, yet not acknowledged as such - I got the impression it was supposed to be a song from the extinct civilization.
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Old February 16 2014, 03:27 AM   #20
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I fully acknowledge this as a minority opinion, but "The Inner Light", far from being one of TNG's best, is in fact one of its most tedious, boring and overrated outings.
+1

Forty-five minutes of watching Picard watch a movie. One of my least favorite episodes of Star Trek. Ever.

Plus, people seem to ignore that Picard is essentially being mind raped.
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Old February 16 2014, 04:29 AM   #21
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I liked the episode, but I though they could have done more with the story if they'd left out the cuts to the Bridge Crew. That was just wasted time.
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Old February 16 2014, 05:42 AM   #22
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I liked the episode, but I though they could have done more with the story if they'd left out the cuts to the Bridge Crew. That was just wasted time.
I had the same idea, too. This is Picard/Kamin's story, let it play as such. Going back to the bridge crew for their b-plot only took the viewer out of the narrative with the actual emotional investment, rather than really complementing it.
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Old February 16 2014, 05:53 AM   #23
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Spock's dad can beat up Data's dad.
Not the biggest fan of JJtrek, but ...

NuKirk's dad is freakin



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^Can a half asgardian beat Professor X/Captain of the Enterprise E?
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Old February 16 2014, 09:24 AM   #25
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Spock's dad can beat up Data's dad.
Not the biggest fan of JJtrek, but ...

NuKirk's dad is freakin



Enough said.


If you believe that the Narada's attack on the Kelvin is indeed the true point of divergence between the prime and JJverse, then that means Thor is Kirk Prime's dad, too. Chris Hemsworth transcends alternate timelines!
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Old February 16 2014, 11:38 AM   #26
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OTOH, Kirk saved Earth multiple times and kicked a lot of butt.
Hey, if you want a "Kirk vs. Picard" debate to swing in Kirk's favor, all you need to do if bring up Star Trek Generations to see how awesome Kirk is and how utterly incompetent Picard is.
Yeah, Kirk is pretty awesome in "Generations". Cooking eggs, chopping wood, getting pancaked by a bridge. Really lived up to the legend.
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Old February 16 2014, 01:03 PM   #27
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Hey, if you want a "Kirk vs. Picard" debate to swing in Kirk's favor
I do not *want* that, but that's where it always seems to come to.

I mean, a show about giant ships zooming through space with bombastic orchestral music, aliens, special effects, hot babes and all that jazz -- and they make an episode about a LITTLE FLUTE? come on!
The episode was not about the flute. It was about Picard experiencing another life as a member of an entirely different people who wanted to be remembered.
On that note - I've always thought the episode was slightly hampered by the fact that the culture of Kataan is indistinguishable from every other single-village, tabard-wearing planet the D ever visited. The probe plan to tell the universe all about their lost ways seems kind of a waste of effort tbh.
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Old February 16 2014, 03:19 PM   #28
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Plus, people seem to ignore that Picard is essentially being mind raped.
I've never really thought about it from that angle before, but it's an extremely good point. It's never explored of course, but I imagine a violation of that type would have serious mental health ramifications for even the most strong minded.
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Old February 16 2014, 03:37 PM   #29
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I just think badassery is overrated, and episodes like Inner Light are a good change of pace for the show. I wouldn't want every episode to be like that, but a few of them can work.

Most TV and movies now err in the other extreme, to be so over the top a 'Badass' and fast paced that it's like the job of every scene in the movie is to distract you from the last one, and the entire audience is expected to have an attention span of three seconds.

I like that Star Trek had episodes like this that could just slow down and tell a story.
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Old February 16 2014, 04:13 PM   #30
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Plus, people seem to ignore that Picard is essentially being mind raped.
I've never really thought about it from that angle before, but it's an extremely good point. It's never explored of course, but I imagine a violation of that type would have serious mental health ramifications for even the most strong minded.
But he got a flute!

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I just think badassery is overrated, and episodes like Inner Light are a good change of pace for the show. I wouldn't want every episode to be like that, but a few of them can work.
You can do change-of-pace without killing your audience with stupidity and boredom though. The Kataan probe made no sense, dump a few memories into a single individual by mind raping them and hoping they'll pass on your story in a favorable light. Then it just shuts down and no indication is given that there is anything else to it. No books, no computer records. Just some memories that will die when Picard dies and a flute.

Then there's Riker who acts like a rank amateur throughout the episode.

I think "The Inner Light" is pretty terrible on just about every level.
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