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Old February 11 2014, 07:54 PM   #61
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Re: James T. Kirk in 24th century novels

I am not eager to see any references to Sybok in future novels. Now if Spock and Saavik had children...
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Old February 11 2014, 10:47 PM   #62
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I am not eager to see any references to Sybok in future novels. Now if Spock and Saavik had children...
They've got about two years to get busy, before Spock has his appointment with a magic black hole.

I'm hoping we will get a final Spock novel detailing the Hobus event, and heavily featuring Saavik. We'll have to wait and see...
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Old February 12 2014, 12:05 AM   #63
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I am not eager to see any references to Sybok in future novels. Now if Spock and Saavik had children...
Why can he have children with Saavik, but can't have a half brother?
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Old February 12 2014, 12:42 AM   #64
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Re: James T. Kirk in 24th century novels

As Greg said, the main reason for avoiding mentions of Sybok was general distaste for The Final Frontier, not because Roddenberry declared it apocryphal. Hell, Roddenberry spent half of 1982 going to cons urging fans not to support The Wrath of Khan, saying it wasn't really Star Trek. See how well that worked.....

I'll actually quote Ronald D. Moore, when discussing the writing of the TNG episode "The Nth Degree." The earlier drafts had the Cytherian (the big giant head who made Barclay a sooooper genius in the episode) be much more malevolent, but they realized that made the whole thing too similar to The Final Frontier, and as Moore said, “The absolute last thing that we wanted to remind anyone of was Star Trek V.”
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Old February 12 2014, 01:05 AM   #65
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I am not eager to see any references to Sybok in future novels. Now if Spock and Saavik had children...
Why can he have children with Saavik, but can't have a half brother?
He has a half-brother. We just don't speak of him.
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Old February 12 2014, 02:59 AM   #66
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But I don't think ST V is all that apocryphal. Lords knows I've referenced it in my novels before--and even gave "God" a supporting role in my Q trilogy.
There's also a subplot about he origins of Nimbus III, aka The Planet of Galactic Peace, running through the last few Vanguard books.
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Old February 12 2014, 09:02 AM   #67
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I'll actually quote Ronald D. Moore, when discussing the writing of the TNG episode "The Nth Degree." The earlier drafts had the Cytherian (the big giant head who made Barclay a sooooper genius in the episode) be much more malevolent, but they realized that made the whole thing too similar to The Final Frontier, and as Moore said, “The absolute last thing that we wanted to remind anyone of was Star Trek V.”
I'm not sure they were entirely successful, then, since I recall a fair amount of speculation about "God" being a Cytherian (presumably a criminally insane one).
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Old February 13 2014, 07:23 PM   #68
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Re: James T. Kirk in 24th century novels

Like it or not, the events of V are part of the canon.

As such, and with Spock's coming exit, now (real world) would seem a good time to investigate his family background...
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Old February 13 2014, 08:52 PM   #69
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Like it or not, the events of V are part of the canon.

As such, and with Spock's coming exit, now (real world) would seem a good time to investigate his family background...
Now sounds like a good time to plot out that story with flashbacks of his life.
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Old February 13 2014, 11:32 PM   #70
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Now sounds like a good time to plot out that story with flashbacks of his life.
We had something similar with Star Trek: Spock Reflections.
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Old February 14 2014, 01:10 PM   #71
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Like it or not, the events of V are part of the canon.

As such, and with Spock's coming exit, now (real world) would seem a good time to investigate his family background...
Now sounds like a good time to plot out that story with flashbacks of his life.
Exactly.

Especially if Spock and Saavik have a child - Sybok's daughter would be their child's only Vulcan relative wouldn't she ?
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Old February 15 2014, 04:12 AM   #72
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Do we know for a fact that Sarek was an only child? A theoretical child of Spock and Saavik could always have some granduncles/aunts and any whatever you would call their kids out there.
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Old February 15 2014, 04:28 AM   #73
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It's the same reason you don't see a lot of sequels to "Spock's Brain" or "Turnabout Intruder." It's not that they've been "officially" deemed apocryphal; it's just that they're unpopular enough that authors and editors tend to steer clear of them--for good reason.
I don't know about you, but I've been itching to find out what became of the Morg and Eymorg in the 24th century.
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Old February 15 2014, 04:42 AM   #74
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Do we know for a fact that Sarek was an only child?
Canon is silent on the question as far as I know, but J.M. Dillard's novel Demons gave Sarek a younger brother, Silek.
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Old February 15 2014, 06:44 AM   #75
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I can just see it now...NuTrek3 with Idris Elba as Sybok.
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