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Old February 10 2014, 12:28 PM   #16
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Re: Members of the Federation.

I always think it's quite amazing that Akaar is one of the most senior positions yet his home planet isn't a member.
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Old February 10 2014, 01:11 PM   #17
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I always think it's quite amazing that Akaar is one of the most senior positions yet his home planet isn't a member.
What makes it amusing is that giving him the C-in-C position has pretty much guaranteed that Capella won't become a member.
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Old February 10 2014, 02:14 PM   #18
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The Poisoned Chalice explicitly establishes Magna Roma to be a Federation Member. From pages 98-99:

James Swallow, THE POISONED CHALICE wrote:
The other woman was the same age as Vale, from a planet commonly known as Magna Roma. Atia's people were the descendants of humans transplanted from Earth's distant past to that world by an alien race known as the Preservers. They had carried their culture--based on the Terran Roman Empire--with them and evolved a civilization based upon its tenets. The Magna Romanii had long since grown out of the more objectionable elements of their society and become active members of the Federation; but they were said to be a fierce, strident people, and Vale's first impression of her new executive officer did nothing to dispel that view.
Nice to see that James and I agreed on the Preserver origin. Makes so much more sense than Hodgkins' Stupid Law.
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Old February 10 2014, 04:54 PM   #19
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Makes so much more sense than Hodgkins' Stupid Law.
Well, the "weak form" of the Law seems okay to me; it's pretty much just convergent evolution, isn't it? It's the "strong form" where it gets stupid.

When we're just dealing with termites, it's okay; when we start dealing with Roman Empires, that's a different matter
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Old February 11 2014, 10:54 AM   #20
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Good catch, Sci. I'll edit them onto the list.

EDIT: Too late, edit feature's gone. Never mind.
Thanks! Also, caught two more for you, also from The Fall: Arvada III and Caldos II, childhood homes of Beverly Crusher.

From Peaceable Kingdoms, page 112:

Dayton Ward, PEACEABLE KINGDOMS, wrote:
The buildings themselves were the sort of prefabricated structures designed for easy assembly and removal. To Crusher, the scene resembled any number of new colony outposts she had visited over the years, including the small villages in which she had lived as a child with her grandmother on planets like Arvada III and Caldos II. Those colonies on those two worlds eventually had grown and thrived into cities and other communities scattered across their respective planets, both of which were now full-fledged members of the Federation. Would something like that happen here, one day?
Re: Magna Roma. I'm not necessarily inclined to accept information from The Captain's Honor as binding on the modern novel continuity, but I do think it might be useful to note that The Captain's Honor, according to Memory Beta, establishes the Magna Romanii state's official name to be the Republic of Magna Roma, its legislature to be known as the Senate, and its capitol building to be known as the Regia Republicae. Personally, I'm inclined to take that information until such time as it's contradicted by future novels, even if I don't take anything else from Captain's Honor. (I wonder if their head of government is known as the Consul? Just speculation, of course.)
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Old February 12 2014, 04:41 AM   #21
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Re: Members of the Federation.

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Good catch, Sci. I'll edit them onto the list.

EDIT: Too late, edit feature's gone. Never mind.
I should be able to edit it for you. PM me with details of what you want putting where.
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Old February 12 2014, 09:03 AM   #22
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Good catch, Sci. I'll edit them onto the list.

EDIT: Too late, edit feature's gone. Never mind.
I should be able to edit it for you. PM me with details of what you want putting where.
Thanks, trampledamage. I'll get in touch later.

Nice to see the pink elephant is still making its rounds, by the way
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Old February 13 2014, 08:27 PM   #23
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TOS: Doctor's Orders has the Lahit and Ornae of Flyspeck (1212 Muscae IV) seek admission to the Federation. Starfleet wanted them as members badly. The treaty signed on behalf of the Federation (by Kirk), the ;At, Lahit and Ornae used "Flyspeck" as the official designation of the planet (seriously).

The novel may still be part of the modern continuity because a Lahit appears as Starfleet CMO in The Poisoned Chalice. Also, the novel only contradicts the established continuity by stating no planets with more than one sentient species has been found by the lat 2260s.
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Old February 14 2014, 11:03 AM   #24
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How does that contradict the continuity?
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Old February 14 2014, 01:54 PM   #25
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I like the list. Some possible additions below.

Xyrillians - Trip knocked one up with the rowboat scene
Menk/Valakians from Dear Doctor listed membership around 2236
Coridanite - 2267
Arcturians
Melkotians
Medusans - Listed as one of the oldest Federation races.
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Old February 14 2014, 11:15 PM   #26
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How does that contradict the continuity?
The Xindi Homeplanet - Six sentient species.

That planet from "Dear Doctor" - The Menk and the Velakians

Possibly others that I can't think of at the moment?
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Old February 15 2014, 12:38 AM   #27
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Earth -- humans and cetaceans.
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Old February 15 2014, 05:52 PM   #28
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Trill - symbionts and walkers.
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Old February 15 2014, 06:38 PM   #29
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Re: Members of the Federation.

Right, so Arvada III (former colony), Caldos II (Scottish fetishist planet) and Magna Roma (Roman people) are all promoted to the list as confirmed members. As is Medusan Homeworld (thank you, Use of Time).

Added to the 'maybe' list:

Ana'Siuol (from Mere Anarchy book five)
Canopus Planet
Lembatta Prime (definite Federation world, though whether member or colony is unclear)
Pangea (stout human offshoots)
Valakis (people who spit in Darwin's eye)
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Old February 16 2014, 05:17 AM   #30
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Earth -- humans and cetaceans.
Well, Earth didn't really need to be "found"--we already knew where it was!
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