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View Poll Results: Rate "The Enemy Within"
1 1 2.70%
2 0 0%
3 0 0%
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5 4 10.81%
6 11 29.73%
7 4 10.81%
8 6 16.22%
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Old February 12 2014, 03:19 AM   #46
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Which is fine for real people, but it seems out of character for a scripted regular. But it was early in the series' development and Bones was a little crankier.

There's a sense in which the earliest TOS episodes were a little more sophisticated than the later, polished ones. Before the actors got their egos fully invested in fictional identities and these characters took on a life of their own ("My guy would never say that, re-write it!"), there was a rough-edged naturalism to the dialogue, with raw, unflattering emotions coming out more often.

In this light, you could say that Star Trek followed the opposite path of Battlestar Galactica. Where ST began with some rough and raw naturalism and evolved into idealized romanticism, BG's original series was romanticised while the Ronald Moore remake went to extremes of naturalism.
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Old February 12 2014, 03:56 AM   #47
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But he is not an evil twin, or "bad kirk." Id/passion-Kirk is in fact good, for without him there is no Kirk-as-we-know-him. That twist, illustrating our id as a good and necessary component is a marvelous thing by Mr. Matheson. Along with the weakness and insufficiency of what we normally term "good." I show this ep in my psych class and have the kids cf. to Freud's tripartite model. I do not deny the episode's flaws, but because of its greatness, I give it a 10.

One of the great teleplays ever, imho.
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Old February 12 2014, 04:42 AM   #48
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In high school English, when we were studying Lord of the Flies, I showed an edited version of "The Enemy Within" to draw parallels between Ralph and Jack and the two sides of Kirk. Got a 115%.
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Old February 12 2014, 05:51 AM   #49
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Actor Ed Madden (Geological Technician Fisher), also played the role of the "Geologist" in The Cage. Same character?
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Old February 12 2014, 05:54 AM   #50
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Actor Ed Madden (Geological Technician Fisher), also played the role of the "Geologist" in The Cage. Same character?
I've wondered that, too. Doesn't he even say something in The Cage about "Geological lab report ready, sir."?

(well, duh..Botany Bay mentioned geology, so I guess that's a bit redundant to point that out!)
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Old February 12 2014, 06:21 AM   #51
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Actor Ed Madden (Geological Technician Fisher), also played the role of the "Geologist" in The Cage. Same character?

I never noticed that!

I'm sure he was meant to be the same guy, because otherwise why make Fisher a geologist? It seems oddly specific. And the supposed 13 year time difference would not be thought of until mid-season.
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Old February 12 2014, 04:04 PM   #52
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I'm not as sure they put that much thought into it. Probably more of a casting coincidence since the guy in The Cage had like, what, 2 lines?

For those who are put off by Spock's comment about "interesting qualities" at the end, at least it wasn't left as Matheson intended: he had JANICE say it! As it stands, you can chalk it up to Spock's alien insensitivity.

http://www.orionpressfanzines.com/ar...nemywithin.htm
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Old February 13 2014, 04:56 AM   #53
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What happened to Kirk's insignia when he was wearing his gold shirt? Cushman (2013) says that the badges were removed each night when the uniforms were sent off for cleaning. When somebody forgot to sew it back on the next day, in their frantic race to meet airdates and shoot quickly, everyone assumed it was an intentional omission ordered by someone or other, and nobody questioned it.
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Old February 13 2014, 09:40 PM   #54
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What happened to Kirk's insignia when he was wearing his gold shirt? Cushman (2013) says that the badges were removed each night when the uniforms were sent off for cleaning. When somebody forgot to sew it back on the next day, in their frantic race to meet airdates and shoot quickly, everyone assumed it was an intentional omission ordered by someone or other, and nobody questioned it.
People here speak of a perceived propensity on Mr. Cushman's part to make inferences and write of them as if facts. Does the author cite that statement?
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Old February 13 2014, 09:43 PM   #55
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What happened to Kirk's insignia when he was wearing his gold shirt? Cushman (2013) says that the badges were removed each night when the uniforms were sent off for cleaning. When somebody forgot to sew it back on the next day, in their frantic race to meet airdates and shoot quickly, everyone assumed it was an intentional omission ordered by someone or other, and nobody questioned it.
People here speak of a perceived propensity on Mr. Cushman's part to make inferences and write of them as if facts. Does the author cite that statement?
Actually it was several years ago that I heaard of that explanation for the missing insignia.
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Old February 13 2014, 10:00 PM   #56
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TRIVIA :

What happened to Kirk's insignia when he was wearing his gold shirt? Cushman (2013) says that the badges were removed each night when the uniforms were sent off for cleaning. When somebody forgot to sew it back on the next day, in their frantic race to meet airdates and shoot quickly, everyone assumed it was an intentional omission ordered by someone or other, and nobody questioned it.
People here speak of a perceived propensity on Mr. Cushman's part to make inferences and write of them as if facts. Does the author cite that statement?
Actually it was several years ago that I heaard of that explanation for the missing insignia.
Which part? The part that somebody forgot to sew it back on? That many ["everyone" sic] in the production crew noticed it, but no one spoke up for the reason alleged? Or, all of it?
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Old February 14 2014, 02:49 AM   #57
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What happened to Kirk's insignia when he was wearing his gold shirt? Cushman (2013) says that the badges were removed each night when the uniforms were sent off for cleaning. When somebody forgot to sew it back on the next day, in their frantic race to meet airdates and shoot quickly, everyone assumed it was an intentional omission ordered by someone or other, and nobody questioned it.
People here speak of a perceived propensity on Mr. Cushman's part to make inferences and write of them as if facts. Does the author cite that statement?
The author doesn't cite except when printing a quotation. And those, alas, sometimes don't have a citation, either (or have a citation number which doesn't exist in the back of the book!).
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Old February 14 2014, 03:07 AM   #58
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I read the uniforms had to be washed but the insignia (and likely the braiding as well) removed first. They were rushed and yet overlooked to sew the insignia back on. When it was noticed they didn't have time to go back and reshoot it and figured next to no one would probably notice anyway. I know I didn't the first few viewings.
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Old February 14 2014, 03:48 AM   #59
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i thought it was so when they flipped the film over for id-Kirk the badge wouldn't be on the wrong side. More noticable to the casual viewer than if just missing.
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Old February 14 2014, 03:20 PM   #60
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I'm no weather expert, but at -117 degrees (Fahrenheit, I assume), with only blankets and their uniforms, wouldn't the landing party be, well, dead? If they had the kind of clothing you'd wear in the Yukon or something, I could see them holding out. But to me the temperature seems very extreme. The guys would be in just as much danger of dying from exposure and hypothermia at much higher temperatures.

This crossed my mind as temperatures dipped into the single digits recently and I was fricking painfully cold in my non windy driveway all bundled up.
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