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Old February 10 2014, 05:33 AM   #106
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The water analogy isn't very informative, either. For one thing, unlike heroin, water is actually needed to survive, and there is no non-lethal concept of water withdrawal.
No, but I just use it as an example that "too much of anything can kill." Water is one of the most harmless substances on the planet. It's a necessary component of life. Yet, you take too much of it in too short of a time and you can die.

Well, with heroin yes it's a deadly substance that you don't need to live but it's "possible" to take it and not die. But take too much and you can die.

Heroin didn't kill PSH, taking too much heroin did. Which, again, granting that heroin being an addictive substance people easily get addicted too and easily can OD on during a relapse.

But, again, a woman once died by drinking too much water in too short of a time in order to win a Nintendo Wii. So, ...

If people want to do heroin that's not skin off my ass. Let them. I find it sad, sure, and it's a shame that for whatever reason he felt the "need" to do it in order to find happiness, pleasure, fun or whatever. But it was his choice to make and, unfortuantely, he didn't do it smartly or safely.
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Old February 10 2014, 05:59 AM   #107
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The water analogy isn't very informative, either. For one thing, unlike heroin, water is actually needed to survive, and there is no non-lethal concept of water withdrawal.
No, but I just use it as an example that "too much of anything can kill." Water is one of the most harmless substances on the planet. It's a necessary component of life. Yet, you take too much of it in too short of a time and you can die.

Well, with heroin yes it's a deadly substance that you don't need to live but it's "possible" to take it and not die. But take too much and you can die.

Heroin didn't kill PSH, taking too much heroin did. Which, again, granting that heroin being an addictive substance people easily get addicted too and easily can OD on during a relapse.

But, again, a woman once died by drinking too much water in too short of a time in order to win a Nintendo Wii. So, ...

If people want to do heroin that's not skin off my ass. Let them. I find it sad, sure, and it's a shame that for whatever reason he felt the "need" to do it in order to find happiness, pleasure, fun or whatever. But it was his choice to make and, unfortuantely, he didn't do it smartly or safely.
The point, hopefully without any sanctimonious hyperbole, is this: Using heroin smartly and safely is ultimately a crap shoot, because its strength is variable, depending on the supply, which is one consequence of its illegality.

Anyone who uses heroin over the longterm is at constant risk of overdosing, every time they use. I'm guessing that that's the thought that JWPlatt was trying to express by, "Once he started, any dose was eventually lethal."

This is not even remotely the case with drinking water. Again, hydration is biologically necessary for survival. There is no useful parallel between drinking water and using heroin.
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Old February 10 2014, 08:13 PM   #108
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Using heroin smartly and safely....
Sorry, there's no such thing. Period. End of story.
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Using heroin smartly and safely....
Sorry, there's no such thing. Period. End of story.
And I didn't say that there was. You chopped off my quote, buddy.
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