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Old February 9 2014, 05:21 AM   #16
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Re: Star Trek Continues: Episode 2 "Lolani"...

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Old February 9 2014, 06:14 AM   #17
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I hope they haven't stopped posting to Vimeo. It's the only way I can see it.
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Old February 9 2014, 06:33 AM   #18
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That was one of the greatest Star Trek episodes I've ever seen. Absolutely incredible.
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Old February 9 2014, 06:34 AM   #19
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Hold up is that...



Wonderful work, enjoyed the whole thing.
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Old February 9 2014, 06:39 AM   #20
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Hold up is that...



Wonderful work, enjoyed the whole thing.
I think it was.... very cool.

I've watched it through, now to let it digest. First impressions, better structure than the first episode (teaser tied into episode). Message was a bit too heavy-handed for me, and some of the dialogue was equally so. Most performances were decent, though no one was as good as Michael Forest in the first episode.

Very good quality for a fan film, and I think they do the best of capturing the visual sense of classic Trek.
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Old February 9 2014, 06:40 AM   #21
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Hold up is that...



Wonderful work, enjoyed the whole thing.
Yes, I recognized it right off. They gussied it up a bit too much unnecessarily but it is originally a Matt Jefferies design.

I'll have to watch it again before comment, but no question it has that ClassicTrek element of being topical.


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I've watched it through, now to let it digest. First impressions, better structure than the first episode (teaser tied into episode). Message was a bit too heavy-handed for me, and some of the dialogue was equally so. Most performances were decent, though no one was as good as Michael Forest in the first episode.

Very good quality for a fan film, and I think they do the best of capturing the visual sense of classic Trek.
Agreed.

I get the sense sometimes the cast is trying just a bit too hard and need to relax. Sometimes they just nail it and other times it feels just a bit off or self-concious. There are moments Mignogna is spot on and there are others when he doesn't have Shatner's nuance and subtle swagger. He needs to loosen up just a bit more.

I think that's true of the other cast members as well. I think Haberkorn really needs to study Nimoy's body language and posture more. Nimoy was a master at standing still and moving with a sense of economy that still looked so natural.

The Counselor needs to chill some in context of the character. She seemed to get awfully familar with Kirk in a way that no one but Spock and McCoy ever would.

We'd seen it on TOS before, but again I thought security procedures were terribly lax.
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Old February 9 2014, 07:07 AM   #22
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Also, to add one more good point. Kirk seemed more like Kirk in this episode, the first one felt more like a TNG script, with Kirk being a little too much like Picard. This was more a TOS story.
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Old February 9 2014, 07:24 AM   #23
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Also, to add one more good point. Kirk seemed more like Kirk in this episode, the first one felt more like a TNG script, with Kirk being a little too much like Picard. This was more a TOS story.
What struck me about this story, even if feeling it seemed a touch heavy handed, is that it felt like it could have been a TOS story. In 2014 it's definitely topical. In 1969 it might have been rather a hot potato to lob into prime time television. In 1969 it might have been done with more nuance. Of course, that said we also have "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield," but the heavy handedness of that was mostly visual.

The first STC episode could also have been a TOS story (if the idea had occurred to them), but it wouldn't have had some of the newer elements (space walk on the hull, the proto-holodeck and the Counselor). TOS had already done a followup story for a character with Harry Mudd yet that was comedy. In TOS' third season they returned to a more dramatic bent and so a "Pilgrim Of Eternity" type story could have been done. The only thing is it likely wouldn't have been done because the ending of "Who Mourns For Adonis?" suggests Apollo is no more, not that he's been teleported somewhere else. STC used that somewhat vague ending as a loophole to tell the story they wanted to tell.

What gets me, though, is how easily I can envision the original cast doing these two stories in their prime.
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Old February 9 2014, 08:03 AM   #24
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I'll leave it to our professional contingent on here to parse out any technical issues and to point out any continuity errors or "plot holes" that weren't immediately apparent to me, but...


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Old February 9 2014, 08:15 AM   #25
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I think part of the challenge for this cast is one of getting into a familiar groove.

The original TOS cast were consummate professionals with already years of experience in their craft. That with doing a series day after day for months on end helped them settle into their roles quickly and getting into their groove so to speak. The cast here have diversions and other lives besides full time acting. That might account for some awkwardness in their performances.

I agree that Uhura could have fulfilled the McKennah role in TOS. And considering the subject matter it would have been additionally poignant for Uhura (as a black women in the 1960s) to act as the go-between with Lolani.
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Old February 9 2014, 10:53 AM   #26
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For once, it's a fanfilm ABOUT something. Bravo to that.

Waaay better than the previous installment in just about every way. In fact, it was the only fanfilm I've been able to watch without getting bored at some point (I did roll my eyes in a few places, tho). In fact, because it's a solid drama about characters, for me it tops anything NV/Phase II has done. I'll rate it against TTI when it's finally finished.

Not totally in love with the script but I admire the message it's trying to send, even if it's heavy handed in its approach.

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Old February 9 2014, 12:02 PM   #27
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That was pretty excellent! The first episode was impressive mostly as a remarkably accurate visual recreation of TOS, but this one added a great story to the mix - one with actual themes and messages, no less! Even the acting and dialogue are way better here than in almost all other fan films. I would go so far as to say "Lolani" is better than many actual TOS episodes! (and certainly better than STID)

The only thing that still bothers me a bit is Dr. McKenna. It's not even that I don't like the character as written or the addition of another woman to the main cast, but the fact that the actress looks like an extra from a Star Trek porn parody is incredibly distracting to me. Maybe her push-up bra, awful wig, and pornstar make-up could be toned down a bit for the next installment?
Lou Ferrigno's voice and accent(?) were a little strange, too, but I got used to it after a while and thought he was actually quite good.
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Old February 9 2014, 12:16 PM   #28
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His "accent" is, I think, due to his hearing loss. He speaks like many people I've met with who grew up with poor hearing. I can't speak with authority on that.
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Old February 9 2014, 02:03 PM   #29
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For once, it's a fanfilm ABOUT something. Bravo to that.

Waaay better than the previous installment in just about every way. In fact, it was the only fanfilm I've been able to watch without getting bored at some point (I did roll my eyes in a few places, tho). In fact, because it's a solid drama about characters, for me it tops anything NV/Phase II has done. I'll rate it against TTI when it's finally finished.

Not totally in love with the script but I admire the message it's trying to send, even if it's heavy handed in its approach.

Agreed on pretty much every point.

I made one similar point in a letter to the STC production: stop trying to connect the dots. I made a point of saying, alright you've included a couple of TNG elements now leave it at that and do things the TOS way as if the other productions never happened.
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Old February 9 2014, 02:13 PM   #30
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That was one of the greatest Star Trek episodes I've ever seen. Absolutely incredible.
I couldn't agree more! I'm completely wowed by this. Finally a fan film that actually feels like a genuine TOS episode. And finally a fan film that attempts to have a message and to be about something. Bravo to all involved! I loved this!
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