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Old February 3 2014, 04:31 AM   #31
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Re: If There's a New Trek TV Show Then Which Universe Will They Set It

Yep ... which is why I wish they'd have offered at least some perspective. I'm already interested (based on them and their choices for leads - Dawson, for example, I was introduced to in Sin City, but I really loved her performance in a challenging role in Gemini Division) ... a general idea of what their take might be ... would be a lot of fun to sink one's teeth into.
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Old February 3 2014, 10:20 AM   #32
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How about the universe from "Parallels" where the Locutus and the Borg had assimilated Earth and the quadrant was on the brink of total domination?
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Old February 3 2014, 01:54 PM   #33
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^I'd watch a movie (or limited series or a made for TV movie) about that but an entire series of that would be overkill (literally and figuratively).
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Old February 3 2014, 02:24 PM   #34
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Post-apocalyptic Trek is fun for one-off "what if?" episodes, but as a whole series it undermines Trek's basic premise as an optimistic future.
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Old February 3 2014, 03:22 PM   #35
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^Pretty much that.
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Old February 4 2014, 01:25 AM   #36
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Renegades isn't nuTrek.
Sure as hell ain't "oldTrek."


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Old February 4 2014, 02:27 AM   #37
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I think a show set in the alternate reality in TNG's Yesterday's Enterprise would be excellent. Giving the Federation something to fear... total domination from the Klingons. Then again, it might make exploring impossible.
DS9 made a great balance out of war arcs and standalone exploration, though.
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Old February 4 2014, 03:55 AM   #38
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I think a show set in the alternate reality in TNG's Yesterday's Enterprise would be excellent. Giving the Federation something to fear... total domination from the Klingons. Then again, it might make exploring impossible.
DS9 made a great balance out of war arcs and standalone exploration, though.
I enjoyed Andromeda S1 - S4, for the most part, and I think it could make for a good Trek Series, if rewritten a bit to feel more organic to the Brand
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Old February 5 2014, 07:59 AM   #39
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Why couldn't it just be its own thing? There have been at least three different versions of Sherlock Holmes produced by different people over the last few years.
My guess is the next Trek series will be another Kirk/Spock reboot. And, similar to Sherlock Holmes TV/movies, after that next reboot, the property will probably lie fallow fow several years, and then be simply be Kirk/Spock rebooted again.
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Old February 7 2014, 02:24 PM   #40
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You say that as if everything post-TOS was UNpopular and poorly-rated, and that's just not the case. But I don't think they need Trek guest stars to make the series work anyway. And the timeline issue is completely separate from the popularity issue. Writers will use whatever timeline works for them. Big wigs could care less about the timeline. Just the brand and whether or not the story or show will sell and be watched.
Most of Trek post TOS/TMP was riddled with poor writing and even worse - poor acting and casting, as an outright form of TV entertainment, it was very poor and often very insulting.

Patrick Stewart and TNG gave post-TOS some credibility and it's success was due to generally half decent casting and very importantly stuck to the explore new worlds and getting into adventures theme. It was relevant at the time where the early 1990's tried to embrace liberalism.

It was DS9, Voyager and ENT, products of Rick Berman and his army that spun Trek into a show that encouraged combat-ism and intolerance. Each week the message was if you cannot run from it (fandango folding nacelles and warp 9.999 speeds), you shoot your way out of it (i managed to pull a anti-borg phaser modulation that triples our firepower out of my ass).

This way of delivering "Trek" killed any need for proper characterisation, which meant killed the need for proper casting, and killed the need for quality acting. So this is why the Tom Paris', Harry Kims', Neelix's, Odos, Siskos, Daxs', Kiras and every Klingon played by every hammy actor got away with very unconvincing and poor performances which would not be tolerated on any other high profile TV series or movie.

Lines are merely a tool to help progress the story or to fill in voids in the screen play rather than provide insight and invite apathy of the characters, no engagement from the audience needed.

And even if Paramount and JJ Abrams took on trek within the prime universe, the huge stylistic changes towards SFX, scripting, casting and acting would cause too much discontinuity from TOS, or from what we saw in Nemesis. The alt universe angle gives the artistic license to give Trek the new/modern visual spectacle and the right sort of casting needed for today's competitive and cut throat film industry.


It is very difficult to sum up the problem of the "prime universe" in a single post, but you only need to watch a decent TV show of any other genre or quality motion picture to appreciate what good entertainment can be. And that "prime universe" trek in today's climate is not the way how to do it.
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Old February 7 2014, 04:59 PM   #41
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Why couldn't it just be its own thing? There have been at least three different versions of Sherlock Holmes produced by different people over the last few years.
My guess is the next Trek series will be another Kirk/Spock reboot. And, similar to Sherlock Holmes TV/movies, after that next reboot, the property will probably lie fallow fow several years, and then be simply be Kirk/Spock rebooted again.
Yep. If Star Trek returns to television, it'll be Kirk/Spock and the Enterprise.

It's a big 'if.'
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Old February 8 2014, 06:10 AM   #42
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Yep. If Star Trek returns to television, it'll be Kirk/Spock and the Enterprise.

It's a big 'if.'
It'll be back at some point.
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Kirk: I want a third option when it comes to universes :P

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OK I have decided to turn my living-room into a man cave of the future.... all things are possible yep. going to attempt a landing on earth with my man cave, incognito///
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Old February 10 2014, 04:16 PM   #44
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If they have a new Trek series TV show then do you think that there is any chance that it would be set in the Prime Universe? Or do you think Abram's Trek movies mean that there is no turning back and that the future of Trek is going to be stuck in Abramsverse?
Every new creative team that comes in may have their own ideas about how to do ST. There really isn't a "Prime Universe". The BermanVerse is gone. His lengthy tenure did allow for a long stretch of continuity in style and storytelling, but we may have a series of different variations on the basic idea of ST going forward.

I now look at each new ST installment the way I look at each new iteration of Superman, Sherlock Holmes, Spider Man or King Arthur. New people, new cast and fresh take on the core story.

The JJverse will last as long as JJ does. When he's gone, that universe will end just as it does when new teams are hired for yet another remake of Superman, Spider Man or King Arthur and Camelot.
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If they have a new Trek series TV show then do you think that there is any chance that it would be set in the Prime Universe? Or do you think Abram's Trek movies mean that there is no turning back and that the future of Trek is going to be stuck in Abramsverse?
Every new creative team that comes in may have their own ideas about how to do ST. There really isn't a "Prime Universe". The BermanVerse is gone. His lengthy tenure did allow for a long stretch of continuity in style and storytelling, but we may have a series of different variations on the basic idea of ST going forward.

I now look at each new ST installment the way I look at each new iteration of Superman, Sherlock Holmes, Spider Man or King Arthur. New people, new cast and fresh take on the core story.

The JJverse will last as long as JJ does. When he's gone, that universe will end just as it does when new teams are hired for yet another remake of Superman, Spider Man or King Arthur and Camelot.
Well put. And that's exactly as it should be.
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