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Old January 31 2014, 05:36 PM   #16
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Re: do the bluray releases make tng more watchable?

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It's the same exact show.
But your perception of it is changed (well, I'm guessing, I've only seen frames of TNG on BR.) I assume the difference is probably something akin to seeing excellent VHS tapes from 35mm on TOS in the mid to late 80s in place of a decade of 16mm versions in syndication, which for me was a revelation almost on par with seeing TOS on laserdisc and later on DVD.

It's not always a good thing ... when I saw the crisper ENEMY WITHIN, I was badly distracted by the makeup on evil Kirk.

But by and large seeing more detail and with greater clarity improves the experience. Look at BLADE RUNNER on widescreen VHS (yeah, I actually work with somebody who only has movies on VHS) and then look at it on BLU-RAY and yeah, it's the same movie but such a different impact, the BR gets you back to how it looked in the theater (and I'm guessing when they get around to releasing 2001 in 4K it'll be the same trip back in time for me.)
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Old January 31 2014, 06:31 PM   #17
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Re: do the bluray releases make tng more watchable?

But that's enhancing or detracting from something you already like. No amount of remastering makes Tasha's "say no to drugs" speech any better.
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Old January 31 2014, 06:39 PM   #18
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Re: do the bluray releases make tng more watchable?

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It's the same exact show.
But your perception of it is changed (well, I'm guessing, I've only seen frames of TNG on BR.) I assume the difference is probably something akin to seeing excellent VHS tapes from 35mm on TOS in the mid to late 80s in place of a decade of 16mm versions in syndication, which for me was a revelation almost on par with seeing TOS on laserdisc and later on DVD.
It's prettier. But no episode ranks better or worse for me based on the remastering effort. Whether on DVD or Blu-ray, "Code of Honor" and "Sub Rosa" are still dogs and "The Best of Both Worlds" is still great.
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Old January 31 2014, 08:19 PM   #19
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Another thing in the future that will help make it more watchable for younger audiences, IMHO, will be a re-formatting into 16:9 widescreen.
No! Just NO! If you really want widescreen, tell your TV to use a 16:9 (zoom) aspect-ratio. But don't cut off precious filmed material just to cater to "young audiences". That's wrong.
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Old February 1 2014, 11:48 PM   #20
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No! Just NO! If you really want widescreen, tell your TV to use a 16:9 (zoom) aspect-ratio. But don't cut off precious filmed material just to cater to "young audiences". That's wrong.
Agreed. I hate it when TV stations do this. I've seen this done with TAS.
If that wasn't bad enough, TV stations even do this with interlaced SD sources, which of course looks uglier than necessary, due to the complexity of resizing interlaced material and its already low resolution to begin with.
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Old February 5 2014, 01:54 AM   #21
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Maybe the Mona Lisa would appeal more to a younger crowd if the top and bottom of it were chopped off.
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Old February 5 2014, 02:21 AM   #22
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Re: do the bluray releases make tng more watchable?

Since the picture quality no longer sucks, I'd say hell yeah, TNG-R makes the show more watchable!!

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I'm in the same boat; do I want to watch on Netflix or buy on Blu Ray?
Just an FYI, unless something changed very recently, the only two streaming providers that have any TNG remastered seasons are Hulu Plus (S1 and S2) and Amazon Prime Streaming (S1 through S4). Netflix has not updated their copies of TNG last I looked.
iTunes is starting to get TNG-R, but that's not streaming, as such.
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Old February 5 2014, 02:11 PM   #23
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Maybe the Mona Lisa would appeal more to a younger crowd if the top and bottom of it were chopped off.
I'd be more in favor of making her topless.
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Old February 5 2014, 02:24 PM   #24
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Re: do the bluray releases make tng more watchable?

Of course it's still the same show on Blu-ray, yadda yadda, but I have to stress one thing:

The TNG DVDs look god-awful on a large, modern HDTV. God-awful.

Personally speaking, that fact certainly does make TNG less (re-)watchable.
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Old February 8 2014, 12:22 AM   #25
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Maybe the Mona Lisa would appeal more to a younger crowd if the top and bottom of it were chopped off.
I think there is a major difference. The Mona Lisa is the art of painting, TNG is the art of entertainment and storytelling.

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Old February 8 2014, 01:08 AM   #26
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I'm in the same boat; do I want to watch on Netflix or buy on Blu Ray?
Just an FYI, unless something changed very recently, the only two streaming providers that have any TNG remastered seasons are Hulu Plus (S1 and S2) and Amazon Prime Streaming (S1 through S4). Netflix has not updated their copies of TNG last I looked.
Nope, TNG on Netflix is still crappy-looking SD.
Given the Blu's, I have no reason to go to streaming for these, so they are free to take their time in updating their catalog.
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Old February 8 2014, 01:45 AM   #27
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I think seeing it how it would have been intended if they didn't have to transfer it to video is a major change in the presentation of the show. Sure the story doesn't change, but in terms of watchability...yeah it's more watchable. In particular, I always knew the color wasn't correct from seeing photos, and I knew the resolution was somewhat subpar even with SD TV, but I'm not sure I was ready for how clear the show looked instead of fuzzy, especially early seasons.
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Old February 8 2014, 01:55 AM   #28
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I remember being blown away at the quality of the effects in 1987. So much better than what was available for TV in the 60s. That the original resolution is considered "unwatchable" now is baffling to me.

Then again, I prefer the original TOS episodes to the remastered versions. I must be getting old. :/
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Old February 8 2014, 06:39 AM   #29
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I remember being blown away at the quality of the effects in 1987. So much better than what was available for TV in the 60s. That the original resolution is considered "unwatchable" now is baffling to me.

Then again, I prefer the original TOS episodes to the remastered versions. I must be getting old. :/
You're right about the quality of effects, they are amazing, it was just hidden under a veneer of generational analog editing/duplication issues. The remastering of TNG proves, that when the original filmed elements are reconstructed in a modern digital video editing pipeline they look amazing.

As TV sizes have gotten larger and the resolution has increased, TNG has gotten much harder to watch. The inherent issues with the way they post-produced the series on video tape is greatly exacerbated on a 60" HDTV for example.
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Old February 8 2014, 07:04 PM   #30
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Then again, I prefer the original TOS episodes to the remastered versions. I must be getting old. :/
The remastered versions are the original versions. Are you talking about the new FX verses the old FX?
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