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The Next Generation All Good Things come to an end...but not here.

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Old February 7 2014, 05:25 PM   #16
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Re: Season 6 Birthright

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They pretty much only added Bashir in that episode to remind TNG fans that DS9 exists.
To me, it was like Generations. Just add whatever TOS crew members are agreeable and available to put into the movie.
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Old February 7 2014, 08:37 PM   #17
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Actually after finishing the second part, the two episodes seem rather randomly put together and even the idea of location is a bit odd.
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Old February 7 2014, 09:37 PM   #18
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Yeah, this is probably the shoddiest 2-parter in all of Trek in terms of execution. When they started, they obviously didn't have the end mapped out yet, so it all comes off as random.
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Old February 7 2014, 09:46 PM   #19
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I see where you guys are all coming from and I agree, the plot lines, characters and settings are somewhat randomly compiled. But still, when I was younger I loved "Birthright", because we got to see the TNG characters walk the DS9 set.

Plus, I always liked Bashir, so I never really perceived him as a substitute. All in all, I don't think the episodes are all that bad. Granted, it doesn't really work as a two-parter, but the single plot threads are rather interesting when looked at them individually.
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Old February 7 2014, 09:50 PM   #20
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It made more sense for Data to appear with Dax, especially season 1 Dax who hadn't been given any characterization yet. She was basically DS9's Spock/Data at the time.

Bashir in TNG acted too much like a giddy idiot. Granted, early Bashir was a giddy idiot.
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Old February 7 2014, 10:56 PM   #21
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They pretty much only added Bashir in that episode to remind TNG fans that DS9 exists.
DS9's pilot episode had been a ratings hit just a month before "Birthright" so your statement is completly wrong. Every viewer would have known.
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Old February 8 2014, 02:20 AM   #22
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Always disappointed me how they left the Data story in part 1, could have expanded on that nicely. I loved the abstract dream sequences, part 1 is much better for it.
They did follow up on it, in the episode "Phatasms" in season 7, when Data started having nightmares. I mean, what left was there to say on the topic of his dreaming after "Birthright Part 1"? I think it pretty well covers all the highlights and anything additional in Part 2 would simply be retreading the same ground. The most logical follow-up to Data dreaming is Data having nightmares and they did, just one season later.

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Old February 8 2014, 02:42 AM   #23
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It made more sense for Data to appear with Dax, especially season 1 Dax who hadn't been given any characterization yet. She was basically DS9's Spock/Data at the time.

Bashir in TNG acted too much like a giddy idiot. Granted, early Bashir was a giddy idiot.
Yes, it might have made more sense, but as stated on the Memory Alpha page on this episode:

Terry Farrell (Jadzia Dax) was to appear in this episode, but she was busy filming the Deep Space Nine episode "Move Along Home". Siddig El Fadil (Julian Bashir) appeared instead. Farrell commented "I cried. I thought I should have fallen off the rock so I could have gone over there instead of Sid disappearing, because when we were filming "Move Along Home" his character disappeared, and I was acting throughout the rest of it with Nana and Avery, and we got caught up together". (Captains' Logs Supplemental - The Unauthorized Guide to the New Trek Voyages, p 48)
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Old February 8 2014, 04:32 AM   #24
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I knew that, hence I mentioned Dax.
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Old February 8 2014, 05:36 AM   #25
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And DS9 and TNG are the only two series that could have a big crossover eps, without straining credulity.
Credulity, sure. But getting the actors together to film this? Impossible. They couldn't even get Terry Farrell! How could they get more for a "big crossover episode"? Notice in every single crossover with any of the series, you basically get 1 actor and that's it (except for Enterprise's last episode. You got 2 and a voice over). The filming logistics don't work out for more.

Besides that, I don't mind the random stop. It's basically just another station they're stopping at, it might as well have been one of the big mushroom stations, it didn't matter. We got a little more bang for our buck, and instead of saying "neat!", we're greedy and saying "I deserve more"??
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Old February 8 2014, 05:49 AM   #26
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Re: Season 6 Birthright

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They pretty much only added Bashir in that episode to remind TNG fans that DS9 exists.
Not quite. The episode was planned even before DS9 premiered. It was partly to promote DS9, sure, but Piller needn't have worried. DS9 was getting ratings comparable to TNG at this point, and "Emissary" was a bigger ratings success than any episode of TNG.
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Old February 8 2014, 11:38 AM   #27
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Re: Season 6 Birthright

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It made more sense for Data to appear with Dax, especially season 1 Dax who hadn't been given any characterization yet. She was basically DS9's Spock/Data at the time.
I thought, the honor of being DS9's Spock/Data had been given to Odo? Dax had that Troi-Vibe for me... with the addition of fighting skills...
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Old February 9 2014, 12:00 AM   #28
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I think I read somewhere that that there was to have been a big crossover at the end of DS9 Season 1/TNG Season 6 but Michael Piller and Rick Berman seemed to have gotten cold feet for some reason.
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Old February 18 2014, 06:02 AM   #29
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Bashir was available because his character had been 'removed' from the game in the episode Move Along Home, and the actor was available.
I think it was more of his extended absence in "Q-Less" that Sid was able to shoot his scenes for "Birthright". Notice from the moment Q induces Bashir to sleep to miss dinner with Vash, he's not seen again until the very end, when he says he felt like he was asleep for days. That was the more likely time for him to make his special guest appearance on TNG's episode.
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