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Old February 6 2014, 10:37 PM   #1
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Season 6 Birthright

What is the back story of this episode is there one? Did this launch ds9 or air after the show was on the air. Was there some special reason why Dr. Bashir is the only one from DS9 that is in the episode?
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Old February 6 2014, 11:33 PM   #2
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What is the back story of this episode is there one? Did this launch ds9 or air after the show was on the air. Was there some special reason why Dr. Bashir is the only one from DS9 that is in the episode?
It aired after; about seven weeks after the DS9 premiere. You can read a lot more here.
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Old February 6 2014, 11:46 PM   #3
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Bashir was available because his character had been 'removed' from the game in the episode Move Along Home, and the actor was available. Terry Farrell was supposed to be in the episode instead.
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Old February 7 2014, 12:13 AM   #4
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The biggest question about this eps: Why was it a two-parter?
The second biggest question about this eps: Why was it a DS9 crossover?
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Old February 7 2014, 02:23 AM   #5
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The biggest question about this eps: Why was it a two-parter?
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Birt..._%28episode%29

Michael Piller suggested to break the story into two parts, believing that there was too much story to tell in one episode. He commented, "Because this was season six, the season of taking risks, of not being afraid of doing things Star Trek hadn't done before, I said 'Why not do another two-parter? Why wait until the end of the season or wait for a Spock? If a story justifies being bigger than an hour, let's do it.' I had been very happy with the results of "Chain of Command" and I said to Rick we should do it and he said fine. I also felt, much mistakenly as it turned out to be, that we would be able to save money if we expanded it into two hours by using the sets twice."


The second biggest question about this eps: Why was it a DS9 crossover?
Using a great new set and location never before used on TNG that doesn't hurt the budget, adds a bit of connective tissue to the universe and allows for a guest actor already part of the franchise is really a second biggest question?
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Old February 7 2014, 03:03 AM   #6
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I enjoy part 1, but I loathe part 2. A wholly unpleasant episode. I would have preferred a single episode with the Data A-plot, with a different B-plot. The stuff with Worf and the camp didn't work for me, especially when it had a whole episode to itself.
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Old February 7 2014, 03:11 AM   #7
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Yes, but Worf's story could have been fit into one eps and Data's story into a separate eps. As it is, Data's story gets very little screentime in Part Two anyway. Really no need to tie them together into a two part eps.

And DS9 and TNG are the only two series that could have a big crossover eps, without straining credulity. And this was it? It doesn't even concern DS9 at all! So crossover just for the hell of it? So pointless! Could have at least given DS9 some purpose, involve Ro and the Maquis, something.
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Old February 7 2014, 04:12 AM   #8
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Data's story gets very little screentime in Part Two anyway.
None at all, you mean?
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Old February 7 2014, 04:45 AM   #9
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Yes, but Worf's story could have been fit into one eps and Data's story into a separate eps. As it is, Data's story gets very little screentime in Part Two anyway. Really no need to tie them together into a two part eps.

And DS9 and TNG are the only two series that could have a big crossover eps, without straining credulity. And this was it? It doesn't even concern DS9 at all! So crossover just for the hell of it? So pointless! Could have at least given DS9 some purpose, involve Ro and the Maquis, something.
There were no Maquis at this point. DS9 had only just premiered.
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Old February 7 2014, 04:53 AM   #10
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Okay, then something with Bajorans and Cardassians, both established in TNG and DS9. Some story where DS9 and its characters play a role in the story alongside TNG.

Aside from the DS9 pilot, this was the only crossover eps with TNG.
They did nothing with it.
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Old February 7 2014, 05:05 AM   #11
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True, that was the only direct crossover (well, those episodes and the TNG episode in which Riker contacts Quark), but we did get an indirect crossover story arc in TNG season seven/DS9 season two with the development of the Maquis. If I remember the sequence right it started with TNG's "Journey's End," continued on DS9 in "The Maquis" two-parter, and went back to TNG for "Preemptive Strike." It's not really much of an arc, but one story leads to the next which leads to the next, and the character of Gul Evek gets a little bit of a character arc running through both series. (He subsequently shows up in VOY's pilot episode.)
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Old February 7 2014, 07:44 AM   #12
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Okay, then something with Bajorans and Cardassians, both established in TNG and DS9. Some story where DS9 and its characters play a role in the story alongside TNG.

Aside from the DS9 pilot, this was the only crossover eps with TNG.
They did nothing with it.
You know. After reading your post I do believe the appearance of DS9 would have been more appropriate in Chain of Command. Could even have had Kira join Picard's infiltration team for her expertise at subterfuge.
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Old February 7 2014, 01:29 PM   #13
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Always disappointed me how they left the Data story in part 1, could have expanded on that nicely. I loved the abstract dream sequences, part 1 is much better for it.
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Old February 7 2014, 01:50 PM   #14
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I do believe the appearance of DS9 would have been more appropriate in Chain of Command. Could even have had Kira join Picard's infiltration team for her expertise at subterfuge.
Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't a part of the point of Chain of Command to have set up the events that were seen in DS9: Emissary? So the Cardassians hadn't quite left Terok Nor at this point in the series (although I think it's mentioned in Part 2 that they're going to). Nor was the Bajoran provisional government in place yet, nor was Kira Nerys anything more than a freedom fighter.
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Old February 7 2014, 04:30 PM   #15
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They pretty much only added Bashir in that episode to remind TNG fans that DS9 exists.
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