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The Next Generation All Good Things come to an end...but not here.

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Old February 6 2014, 04:15 PM   #16
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Re: Episode of the Week: 4x06 "Legacy"

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Yeah, humans are often shown as being permitted to leave the Federation and found colonies of their own. This is one of those cases.
Ok, I think we're beginning to narrow down Gene Roddenberry's optimistic vision of a future where humanity is perfect.

1. Humanity is perfect only as children.
Children do not grieve over the loss of loved one even though the adults do ("The Bonding") and their intelligence is so astronomically high that they can do in minutes what an adult chief engineer tells him would take weeks even while drunk ("The Naked Now").

2. Humanity is perfect as long as they are on Earth.
Gene Roddenberry: Humanity is perfect and Earth is a Paradise.
Sisko: "On Earth there is no poverty, no crime, no war. You look out the window of Starfleet Headquarters and you see paradise. "

3. Humanity is perfect as long as they remain in the Federation.
Any planet consisting of human colonies that is not within Federation jurisdiction will all eventually turn to complete and utter anarchy, resorting to waring and raping methods of living on Turkana IV to the other colonies (including human ones) that would eventually form the Maquis.

CONCLUSION: Human children between the ages 5 and 17 who live on Earth and are a part of the Federation represent the absolute perfection that humanity has to offer. After they hit adulthood, they are no longer perfect for they will start caring about the lives of others, feeling grief and wanting to set out and explore the unknown. I guess the children at Little Lamplight were actually on to something and the isolated and suicidal society of Logan's Run is the best course of action to ensure a perfect humanity, so long as the age is reduced from 30 to 18.
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Old February 6 2014, 04:46 PM   #17
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I don't think it means she had literally to escape the rape gangs since she was five. At fifteen, yes, but not at five. The rape gangs was one of the dangers she had to deal with it, not the only one.
I don't think any episode has given us any reason to believe these rape gangs have any kind of standards, especially if 15 years old is still applicable.
I agree with Jeyl on this one. I don't think rape gangs would have an age limit.
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Old February 6 2014, 07:09 PM   #18
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I don't think it means she had literally to escape the rape gangs since she was five. At fifteen, yes, but not at five. The rape gangs was one of the dangers she had to deal with it, not the only one.
I don't think any episode has given us any reason to believe these rape gangs have any kind of standards, especially if 15 years old is still applicable.
I imagine a vast majority of them wait until puberty. Not for moral reasons, of course, just because it would be the vast majority of rapists' preference. That doesn't make it a whole lot less horrible.

My idea of the perfection of humanity in the Star Trek universe has to do with the elimination of scarcity and the ubiquity of comfort. You make resources scarce and make people fear for their lives they stop being perfect.

Quark is the galactic expert on humans.
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Old February 6 2014, 08:26 PM   #19
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I don't think it means she had literally to escape the rape gangs since she was five. At fifteen, yes, but not at five. The rape gangs was one of the dangers she had to deal with it, not the only one.
I don't think any episode has given us any reason to believe these rape gangs have any kind of standards, especially if 15 years old is still applicable.
I imagine a vast majority of them wait until puberty. Not for moral reasons, of course, just because it would be the vast majority of rapists' preference.
Yep, it's not about asking the ID of victims, but more about when the girls begin to have a "feminine body". That doesn't mean the gangs have ethical concerns. If they see a 12-year-old girl with a "mature" body, they will surely take her.

When Yar left her planet, the rape gangs was a serious threat for her as an orphan teenager. The whole planet is in chaos, so the collective rapes are only one facets of this chaos.
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Old February 7 2014, 12:49 AM   #20
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Her name should have been Ishara Yawn. This episode is one of the reasons I lost interest in TNG in Season 4.
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