The Next Generation on DVD

Cheapjack · June 18 2007, 11:15 AM

TNG was shot on film, but edited on video, right?

Howcome the DVD set have video as their source? You can see the pixels when you zoom in. Have they lost the film masters? If they have a video source, why has 'Encounter' faded so much?

FalTorPan · June 18 2007, 11:52 AM

As you've said, the show was filmed, but editing -- and most if not all visual effects -- were done on professional-grade video, which has lower resolution than DVDs are capable of displaying.

As for why the DVDs weren't mastered from the original film source, it would have been very expensive to do. The entire episode would have to be reassembled from film, using the videotaped final version as a guide -- and for any shot containing visual effects, the shot would have to be either taken from the videotape -- with an obvious drop in quality -- or completely recreated -- which at the time would have been very expensive.

Given what's being done with "TOS-R," however, it's possible that TNG might receive similar treatment, although I suspect that its per-episode cost will be much higher.

M'rk, son of Mogh · June 18 2007, 11:53 AM

The effects shots were done on video, so, if they were to use the film as their source, there would be no effects shots. They would have had to redo every single shot using special effects, much like they're doing for the original series.

I'm not sure how cost effective that would have been/be.

Edited because I was beaten to the punch.

Tomalak · June 18 2007, 12:11 PM

If CBS is serious about "future-proofing" Trek, they will surely get around to doing TNG. The possibilities for an alternative high definition version, possibly allowing for 16:9 presentation with the extra material in the film stock, are quite exciting.

K-Star · June 18 2007, 08:51 PM

^Ooh, that would be nice. Too bad I'm already getting all seven seasons on DVD... Dad might like a high def version, though.

LitmusDragon · June 19 2007, 02:32 AM

Tomalak said:
If CBS is serious about "future-proofing" Trek, they will surely get around to doing TNG. The possibilities for an alternative high definition version, possibly allowing for 16:9 presentation with the extra material in the film stock, are quite exciting.

Ditto that. Finally got an HDTV recently and all of my 4:3 DVD stuff looks terrible on it. This is mainly because my upscaling DVD player can only do 4:3 upscaling in "stretch" mode, but I digress.

K-Star · June 19 2007, 04:13 AM

LitmusDragon said:

Tomalak said:
If CBS is serious about "future-proofing" Trek, they will surely get around to doing TNG. The possibilities for an alternative high definition version, possibly allowing for 16:9 presentation with the extra material in the film stock, are quite exciting.

Ditto that. Finally got an HDTV recently and all of my 4:3 DVD stuff looks terrible on it. This is mainly because my upscaling DVD player can only do 4:3 upscaling in "stretch" mode, but I digress.

Yeah, same goes for my dad's Xbox 360. When I played my season 4 and 5 DVD's in it (couldn't find the regular DVD remote and my DVD player's broken so I had to use the 360) it was all stretched.

Tomalak · June 19 2007, 12:30 PM

That's because HD is inherently 16:9 - the TOS remastered are pillarboxed in a 16:9 frame.

Trekker4747 · June 20 2007, 12:40 AM

Considering the love, and care, they're giving "TOS-R" I wouldn't be all that against a similar treatment to TNG.

But it would be pretty expensive to do that AND have to re-edit the episodes' live action stuff. Maybe they could make up for it with more expensive DVD sets?

LitmusDragon · June 20 2007, 01:32 AM

Tomalak said:
That's because HD is inherently 16:9 - the TOS remastered are pillarboxed in a 16:9 frame.

Expensive upscaling DVD players will pillarbox 4:3 content automatically while at the same time upscaling it. My little Phillips 5960, which is a stellar player in most other respects, does not have this feature.

June 18 2007, 11:15 AM	#1
Cheapjack Fleet Captain	The Next Generation on DVD TNG was shot on film, but edited on video, right? Howcome the DVD set have video as their source? You can see the pixels when you zoom in. Have they lost the film masters? If they have a video source, why has 'Encounter' faded so much?

June 18 2007, 11:52 AM	#2
FalTorPan Vice Admiral Location: Out there... thataway.	Re: The Next Generation on DVD As you've said, the show was filmed, but editing -- and most if not all visual effects -- were done on professional-grade video, which has lower resolution than DVDs are capable of displaying. As for why the DVDs weren't mastered from the original film source, it would have been very expensive to do. The entire episode would have to be reassembled from film, using the videotaped final version as a guide -- and for any shot containing visual effects, the shot would have to be either taken from the videotape -- with an obvious drop in quality -- or completely recreated -- which at the time would have been very expensive. Given what's being done with "TOS-R," however, it's possible that TNG might receive similar treatment, although I suspect that its per-episode cost will be much higher. __________________ Watch ASTRONUTS! Visit Trekplace! Check out my personal website!

June 18 2007, 11:53 AM	#3
M'rk, son of Mogh Rear Admiral Location: Ontario, Canada	Re: The Next Generation on DVD The effects shots were done on video, so, if they were to use the film as their source, there would be no effects shots. They would have had to redo every single shot using special effects, much like they're doing for the original series. I'm not sure how cost effective that would have been/be. Edited because I was beaten to the punch.

June 18 2007, 12:11 PM	#4
Tomalak Vice Admiral Location: Liverpool	Re: The Next Generation on DVD If CBS is serious about "future-proofing" Trek, they will surely get around to doing TNG. The possibilities for an alternative high definition version, possibly allowing for 16:9 presentation with the extra material in the film stock, are quite exciting. __________________ She bought her first new car and you hit her with a drunk driver. What, is that supposed to be funny?

June 18 2007, 08:51 PM	#5
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June 19 2007, 12:30 PM	#8
Tomalak Vice Admiral Location: Liverpool	Re: The Next Generation on DVD That's because HD is inherently 16:9 - the TOS remastered are pillarboxed in a 16:9 frame. __________________ She bought her first new car and you hit her with a drunk driver. What, is that supposed to be funny?

June 20 2007, 12:40 AM	#9
Trekker4747 To boldly go... Location: Kansas City	Re: The Next Generation on DVD Considering the love, and care, they're giving "TOS-R" I wouldn't be all that against a similar treatment to TNG. But it would be pretty expensive to do that AND have to re-edit the episodes' live action stuff. Maybe they could make up for it with more expensive DVD sets? __________________ Just because it's futuristic doesn't mean it's practical.