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Old February 3 2014, 11:43 PM   #961
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Can you imagine what was going though Peyton's mind as he saw that snap zoom past his head
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Old February 4 2014, 12:04 AM   #962
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I mean either he is the "super" quarterback that many were saying he was (after his great regular season) and choked in the SB, or he is simply another very good quarterback who when properly defensed, coughs up the ball and can be rendered ineffective like many others before him. Two picks and lost a fumble don't lie.
One pick on a tipped pass.

The other pick on a hit as he threw.

The fumble on another hit as he thew (you can even see his arm moving forward without the ball).

Problem wasn't Manning, it was the offensive line. Unless you think the safety to start the game was his fault, too; if you do, then we're not even having a conversation.
I think you make my point which is, Peyton is simply not a quarterback who can be in the same conversation with the Montanas, Staubachs, Bradshaws, Farves, Manning's, Bradys, players who were able to make something out of nothing in their team's biggest game. Peyton is a very good quarterback, but needs much more help than those other guys. For Peyton, things have to be near perfect in order for him to perform at his best.

When his team needed him to live up to the hype surrounding him this season, he was not up to the task. No, the rest of the team didn't play well, but Peyton might have made his team more competitive, but instead he showed himself to be anything but that guy. Very good quarterback, just not special.
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Well, now I just have to.

But even if no one else plays the sport, why not refer to your champion as "world" champion? Its not like there is any possibility that a better football team is lurking out there somewhere.
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Old February 4 2014, 12:23 AM   #963
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Very good quarterback, just not special.
Manning is:

- 2nd in career passing yards
- 1st in career playoff passing yards
- 2nd in career touchdowns
- 4th in career playoff touchdowns
- 2nd in career passer rating
- 2nd in career sack percentage

And that's all-time, not just active quarterbacks. On what planet is that "very good, just not special?"
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Old February 4 2014, 01:26 AM   #964
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Re: NFL Discussion - 2013 Season

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Very good quarterback, just not special.
Manning is:

- 2nd in career passing yards
- 1st in career playoff passing yards
- 2nd in career touchdowns
- 4th in career playoff touchdowns
- 2nd in career passer rating
- 2nd in career sack percentage

And that's all-time, not just active quarterbacks. On what planet is that "very good, just not special?"
Apparently the difference between "very good" and "special" is the ability to single-handedly win games in spite of what the rest of the team might be doing.
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Old February 4 2014, 01:35 AM   #965
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Re: NFL Discussion - 2013 Season

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Very good quarterback, just not special.
Manning is:

- 2nd in career passing yards
- 1st in career playoff passing yards
- 2nd in career touchdowns
- 4th in career playoff touchdowns
- 2nd in career passer rating
- 2nd in career sack percentage

And that's all-time, not just active quarterbacks. On what planet is that "very good, just not special?"
For many people, sports will be about narrative, not numbers. That's why, like it or not, wins will always be a factor. That being said, he's got quite a few of those and a championship, so there's not much merit to the argument even there.
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Old February 4 2014, 01:52 AM   #966
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Re: NFL Discussion - 2013 Season

archeryguy1701 wrote: View Post
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Very good quarterback, just not special.
Manning is:

- 2nd in career passing yards
- 1st in career playoff passing yards
- 2nd in career touchdowns
- 4th in career playoff touchdowns
- 2nd in career passer rating
- 2nd in career sack percentage

And that's all-time, not just active quarterbacks. On what planet is that "very good, just not special?"
Apparently the difference between "very good" and "special" is the ability to single-handedly win games in spite of what the rest of the team might be doing.
See that's the thing. "Single-handedly" always has to apply to the teams he has gotten to the plays and the Superbowls.

Look at pretty boy Brady. Alway a good defense and always a great O line. (when he won the superbowls).

Read that article posted previously in this thread.
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Old February 4 2014, 02:11 AM   #967
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Manning is:

- 2nd in career passing yards
- 1st in career playoff passing yards
- 2nd in career touchdowns
- 4th in career playoff touchdowns
- 2nd in career passer rating
- 2nd in career sack percentage

And that's all-time, not just active quarterbacks. On what planet is that "very good, just not special?"
Apparently the difference between "very good" and "special" is the ability to single-handedly win games in spite of what the rest of the team might be doing.
See that's the thing. "Single-handedly" always has to apply to the teams he has gotten to the plays and the Superbowls.

Look at pretty boy Brady. Alway a good defense and always a great O line. (when he won the superbowls).

Read that article posted previously in this thread.
I know- I was the one who posted the article and that was my point.
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Old February 4 2014, 02:28 AM   #968
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Yeah, I don't think you can pin this on Manning. He had a rough game, but that's Seattle's defense.

Add to it that Denver's defense couldn't tackle my grandma, and their special teams stunk, oh and they couldn't run the ball at all...that adds up to a long day.
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Can you imagine what was going though Peyton's mind as he saw that snap zoom past his head
Best summed up as "WTF?!"
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Old February 4 2014, 03:19 AM   #970
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As a Texans fan, after all those years of abuse from the hands of Manning, it was sweet watching him get his ass kicked.
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Old February 4 2014, 06:38 AM   #971
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Peyton is simply not a quarterback who can be in the same conversation with the Montanas, Staubachs, Bradshaws, Farves, Manning's, Bradys, players who were able to make something out of nothing in their team's biggest game.
Not to nitpick... BUT... it's Favre, not Farve.

If Peyton doesn't belong in that group, neither does Favre. They have the same amount of Super Bowl titles. Favre threw FAR more interceptions, and the only reason he doesn't have more playoff losses than Peyton is because Brett couldn't get the Packers/Jets/Vikings to the playoffs as often as Peyton has with the Colts/Broncos.

If neither of them belongs, does Peyton's brother Eli? He has one more Super Bowl title, and both WERE won in clutch situations, but he's far less consistent than any of those other names and has had far more BAD games than brother Peyton (like the nine that the Giants lost this season, for instance). How about Staubach? He lost just as many Super Bowls as Peyton did, both to Pittsburgh. Tom Brady has lost two as well, both to Eli's N.Y. Giants.

Peyton is no Joe Montana and has never had as complete an offense as Terry Bradshaw enjoyed, nor as brilliant a head coach as Tom Brady has been privileged with, but he's done enough in his career to be mentioned among the all-time greats.
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Old February 4 2014, 04:35 PM   #972
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I know- I was the one who posted the article and that was my point.

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Daily Mail article in which Richard Sherman says his defensive team cracked Peyton Manning's hand signals, so they knew what he was calling for on each play.
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Old February 4 2014, 05:24 PM   #974
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Daily Mail article in which Richard Sherman says his defensive team cracked Peyton Manning's hand signals, so they knew what he was calling for on each play.
Sign-Gate!!!
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archeryguy1701 wrote: View Post
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Very good quarterback, just not special.
Manning is:

- 2nd in career passing yards
- 1st in career playoff passing yards
- 2nd in career touchdowns
- 4th in career playoff touchdowns
- 2nd in career passer rating
- 2nd in career sack percentage

And that's all-time, not just active quarterbacks. On what planet is that "very good, just not special?"
Apparently the difference between "very good" and "special" is the ability to single-handedly win games in spite of what the rest of the team might be doing.
That's more of a basketball thing, when 4 other guys were stinking on a particular night, Jordan could still pull the game out with 40 or 50 points.

In football, what's a QB going to do, pass & catch, all the while avoiding the rushers and defenders?
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