RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 140,159
Posts: 5,434,721
Members: 24,937
Currently online: 602
Newest member: bryanb2014

TrekToday headlines

Two Official Starships Collection Ships
By: T'Bonz on Oct 22

Pine In New Skit
By: T'Bonz on Oct 21

Stewart In Holiday Film
By: T'Bonz on Oct 21

The Red Shirt Diaries #8
By: T'Bonz on Oct 20

IDW Publishing January Comics
By: T'Bonz on Oct 20

Retro Review: Chrysalis
By: Michelle on Oct 18

The Next Generation Season Seven Blu-ray Details
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17

CBS Launches Streaming Service
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17

Yelchin In New Indie Thriller
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17

Saldana In The Book of Life
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Entertainment & Interests > Science and Technology

Science and Technology "Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known." - Carl Sagan.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old January 30 2014, 05:13 PM   #16
DarthTom
Fleet Admiral
 
DarthTom's Avatar
 
Location: Atlanta, Georgia
Re: 6 signs that reality is catching up with science fiction.

Warped9 wrote: View Post
Intelligence as we understand it (our own) wasn't an inevitable occurence in life evolving on Earth, but it did happen. That with life being able to form elsewhere would support the possibility that alien intelligence isn't impossible given the right conditions---it could and might have indeed happened even if it mightn't be an intelligence we could immediately recognize at first.

For all we know someone else is out there facing the same quandary and asking the same questions we are.
Some paleontologists believe that had a meteor not struck earth that the likely result would have been this:



Perhaps the most ‘advanced’ dinosaur known to have been living at the time of the extinction was a small theropod called Troodon. They were small, upright dinosaurs that walked in a bipedal fashion and lived in large groups. Even more compelling was that detailed analysis of their brain structure seems to suggest that they possessed very good vision and even potentially the ability to solve complex problems.
So with its large, substantial brain, long grasping hands and big eyes, could Troodon have wandered down the same evolutionary path as ourselves, to not only possess a similar level of intelligence, but even come to resemble us physically? Some palaeontologists think that it’s likely that at least one kind of dinosaur could have evolved along the same sort of lines as primates or humans. Their argument centres on the fact that we humans are an incredibly successful form of life, and so if intelligence is a good solution for us, then why shouldn’t it be a good solution for dinosaurs?
DarthTom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 30 2014, 05:49 PM   #17
Elvira
Vice Admiral
 
Elvira's Avatar
 
Location: t'girl
Re: 6 signs that reality is catching up with science fiction.

E-DUB wrote: View Post
Big screen TV's, check. Black President, check. Space Station, check. As Gibson said; "The future is here, it just isn't evenly distributed yet."
The first elected Black President (to hold the title of President) I believe would have been President Joseph Kasa-Vubu of the Republic of Congo, he took office on June 30, 1960.

We've had space stations since the early seventies.

The Human Species ... been there, done that.


(go seahawks)
__________________
.
no mere mortal can resist the evil of the thriller
Elvira is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 31 2014, 06:28 AM   #18
Maurice
Vice Admiral
 
Maurice's Avatar
 
Location: Maurice in San Francisco
View Maurice's Twitter Profile
Re: 6 signs that reality is catching up with science fiction.

DarthTom wrote: View Post
Some paleontologists believe that had a meteor not struck earth that the likely result would have been this:


Perhaps the most ‘advanced’ dinosaur known to have been living at the time of the extinction was a small theropod called Troodon. They were small, upright dinosaurs that walked in a bipedal fashion and lived in large groups. Even more compelling was that detailed analysis of their brain structure seems to suggest that they possessed very good vision and even potentially the ability to solve complex problems.
So with its large, substantial brain, long grasping hands and big eyes, could Troodon have wandered down the same evolutionary path as ourselves, to not only possess a similar level of intelligence, but even come to resemble us physically? Some palaeontologists think that it’s likely that at least one kind of dinosaur could have evolved along the same sort of lines as primates or humans. Their argument centres on the fact that we humans are an incredibly successful form of life, and so if intelligence is a good solution for us, then why shouldn’t it be a good solution for dinosaurs?
^^^Emphasis mine.

Shall we read the text you omitted (link), which brackets what you quoted? Here (emphasis mine):

Intelligent Dinosaurs?

If the dinosaurs had never died out, then could one of them have possibly evolved sentient like intelligence similar to us? It’s certainly a fanciful notion, but not altogether impossible, after all if an alien visited Earth in the aftermath of the K/T (Cretaceous/Tertiary) extinction could they have foreseen the evolution of humans from small tiny mammals that mostly resembled modern shrews?
However, most contemporary palaeontologists think that the notion of a dinosaur humanoid or dinosauroid is far-fetched and a total insult to the dinosaurs and I agree with them. We humans often develop this arrogant tendency to believe that we represent some sort of evolutionary pinnacle or end point, instead we are just one of millions and millions of natural experiments operating in the world today. I find it highly doubtful that the dinosaurs would have evolved to look anything like a person, they would have probably continued to evolve along the dinosaurian trajectory, getting bigger brains and bigger eyes, but not necessarily evolving the same kind of intelligence as us.
Hardly a "most likely" result.
__________________
* * *
"The road to hell is paved with works-in-progress."
—Philip Roth
Maurice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 31 2014, 08:05 PM   #19
THE Robert Maxwell
Reports of my death...
 
THE Robert Maxwell's Avatar
 
Location: Robert Maxwell
View THE Robert Maxwell's Twitter Profile Send a message via ICQ to THE Robert Maxwell Send a message via AIM to THE Robert Maxwell Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to THE Robert Maxwell Send a message via Yahoo to THE Robert Maxwell
Re: 6 signs that reality is catching up with science fiction.

I think DarthTom is suffering from the sadly common belief that evolution is goal-oriented and that upright-walking warm-blooded vertebrates with opposable thumbs and large brains represent some kind of pinnacle of evolutionary achievement.

Human bodies are functional but also fraught with all kinds of problems. We're mostly just lucky that our brains and dexterity allow us to develop technologies for overcoming our limitations.

I agree that dinosaur evolution would likely not have led to humanoid forms. It just doesn't make any sense.
__________________
Publishing all the news that's not fit to print, FROM BEYOND THE GRAVE!!!!
I has a blag.
THE Robert Maxwell is online now   Reply With Quote
Old February 1 2014, 07:00 AM   #20
Australis
Writer
 
Australis's Avatar
 
Location: The Electric Age
Re: 6 signs that reality is catching up with science fiction.

sojourner wrote: View Post
Australis wrote: View Post
See
EM drive

oogy boogy science.
Well... thanks for that.

What about the nanotechnology thing?

http://www.geek.com/geek-cetera/17-y...ticle-1447819/
__________________
"… Times change, and so must I… we all change. When you think about it, we are all different people, all through our lives and that’s okay, that’s good! You've gotta keep moving, so long as you remember all the people that you used to be."
Australis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 1 2014, 07:54 AM   #21
Gep Malakai
Vice Admiral
 
Gep Malakai's Avatar
 
Send a message via AIM to Gep Malakai Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to Gep Malakai
Re: 6 signs that reality is catching up with science fiction.

Robert Maxwell wrote: View Post
I agree that dinosaur evolution would likely not have led to humanoid forms. It just doesn't make any sense.
Besides which, we already have a good idea what an evolved therapod dinosaur looks like:

__________________
"From the darkness you must fall, failed and weak, to darkness all."
-Kataris
Gep Malakai is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 1 2014, 08:01 AM   #22
Geoff Peterson
Fleet Admiral
 
Geoff Peterson's Avatar
 
Location: 20 feet from an outlet
Re: 6 signs that reality is catching up with science fiction.

DarthTom wrote: View Post
Warped9 wrote: View Post
Intelligence as we understand it (our own) wasn't an inevitable occurence in life evolving on Earth, but it did happen. That with life being able to form elsewhere would support the possibility that alien intelligence isn't impossible given the right conditions---it could and might have indeed happened even if it mightn't be an intelligence we could immediately recognize at first.

For all we know someone else is out there facing the same quandary and asking the same questions we are.
Some paleontologists believe that had a meteor not struck earth that the likely result would have been this:


A Sleestak?
__________________
Nerys Myk
Geoff Peterson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 1 2014, 01:49 PM   #23
RoJoHen
Awesome
 
RoJoHen's Avatar
 
Location: QC, IL, USA
Re: 6 signs that reality is catching up with science fiction.

Gep Malakai wrote: View Post
Robert Maxwell wrote: View Post
I agree that dinosaur evolution would likely not have led to humanoid forms. It just doesn't make any sense.
Besides which, we already have a good idea what an evolved therapod dinosaur looks like:

On the flip side, we have no idea how certain creatures would have continued to evolve if they didn't have mass extinction events to contend with.
__________________
I am the Quintessential Admiral.
RoJoHen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 1 2014, 05:26 PM   #24
Gep Malakai
Vice Admiral
 
Gep Malakai's Avatar
 
Send a message via AIM to Gep Malakai Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to Gep Malakai
Re: 6 signs that reality is catching up with science fiction.

Well, of course – and birds aren't direct descendants of Troodon either. But they're the only data point we have, really. And they don't look anything like people.
__________________
"From the darkness you must fall, failed and weak, to darkness all."
-Kataris
Gep Malakai is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 1 2014, 07:53 PM   #25
RAMA
Vice Admiral
 
RAMA's Avatar
 
Location: NJ, USA
Re: 6 signs that reality is catching up with science fiction.

Ive discussed this before on other technology forum threads, but science fiction will only be a "sliding scale" for so long, because there are two things likely to occur:

1) reality and virtual reality/cyberspace/human minds/AI are all likely to be related or synonymous in the future, and such "reality" may no longer be distinguishable to anyone (see Her, Ghost in the Shell, Thirteenth Floor, Matrix, Tron..all of which barely scratch the surface of possibilities). Your scifi will be immersive, and at some point, the reality you can create virtually could also exist physically...first with 3D printing, then with nanotechnology and utility fog. You'll become your own story, your own prediction. There is also the possibility of annihilation..scifi destroying us...

2) Any Singularity event renders prediction past a certain point of development in AI moot. What such advanced minds--immersed with AI--could conceptualize after that is problematic to speculate on. The most common, all-encompassing attempt at prediction is smart matter pervading the universe, in effect quantifying everything. This may have already happened multiple times or we could be the first to get there.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/innovat....fiction.kaku/

RAMA
__________________
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Carl Sagan
RAMA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 1 2014, 08:23 PM   #26
RAMA
Vice Admiral
 
RAMA's Avatar
 
Location: NJ, USA
Re: 6 signs that reality is catching up with science fiction.

Warped9 wrote: View Post
- Antigravity
- Terraforming
- Quantum computers
- Zero point energy
- Copied and downloaded consciousness
- Nanobots
- Nanodocs
- Nano-biology
- Forcefields
- Star travel (as opposed to very limited intrasolar travel)
- Self aware Androids
- Fusion energy
- Human hibernation
- Robot or synthetic (bio-engineered) bodies for transplanted minds.
- Genuinely self-aware A.I.
- Mining asteroids and other solar planets and satellites.
- Extraterrestial life

Those are but a few SF concepts that haven't happened yet.
Many of these are true, though through info-tech and accelerated exponential technology, we can speculate with some certainty that some of these are likely if not a given.

Terraforming is possible, but highly demanding resource wise. We need a full space effort going to even begin such and enterprise. MORE likely is resource mining of asteroids, with two startups already competing to be the first to do so.

Quantum computers already exist, and will be more useful in the next few years.

Mind uploading is being worked on already, its an offshoot of other infotech, and is very possible in the next 20-30 years.

Nanotech is already a multi-billion dollar technology in materials. Assemblers and such will probably be due in 25-30 years.

Forcefields already exist, you have to define what you mean exactly. There are several tanks in the world that use EM fields as stealth cloaks for example.

Star travel: We already have a ship that left the solar system, but I agree, this one is going to take some work.

Fusion power is being worked on by numerous countries both with ITER and DEMO, and some simpler solutions have been offered in universities. DEMO could be producing power in 30-35 years.

Self-aware androids: This is one of the easier predictions based on computing power and software...the general consensus for that is human level intelligence by 2025-2029.

My conclusion however is more important than the fact we don't have some of these scifi "predictions"...some things we predict simply aren't important, practical, or necessary. Flying cars: not practical. FTL drive: as I argued rigorously on the Ancient Alien thread, we do NOT need FTL to explore the universe, starseed projects can work as well and within a short period of relative human, geological, and universal time. Lots of "hardware" based technologies were rendered less relevant due to information technologies, and in a large scale way, an example would be smartphones dematerializing lots of hardware.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...37220008056712

http://www.ijdesign.org/ojs/index.ph.../view/1124/554
__________________
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Carl Sagan
RAMA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 2 2014, 08:16 PM   #27
RoJoHen
Awesome
 
RoJoHen's Avatar
 
Location: QC, IL, USA
Re: 6 signs that reality is catching up with science fiction.

Gep Malakai wrote: View Post
Well, of course – and birds aren't direct descendants of Troodon either. But they're the only data point we have, really. And they don't look anything like people.
They're thinking the same thing about us...
__________________
I am the Quintessential Admiral.
RoJoHen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 2 2014, 09:21 PM   #28
gturner
Admiral
 
Location: Kentucky
Re: 6 signs that reality is catching up with science fiction.

RoJoHen wrote: View Post
Gep Malakai wrote: View Post
Well, of course – and birds aren't direct descendants of Troodon either. But they're the only data point we have, really. And they don't look anything like people.
They're thinking the same thing about us...
What about the funny little fish-eating guys in the tuxedos?
gturner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 3 2014, 04:37 AM   #29
Crazy Eddie
Rear Admiral
 
Crazy Eddie's Avatar
 
Location: I'm in your ___, ___ing your ___
Re: 6 signs that reality is catching up with science fiction.

Gep Malakai wrote: View Post
Robert Maxwell wrote: View Post
I agree that dinosaur evolution would likely not have led to humanoid forms. It just doesn't make any sense.
Besides which, we already have a good idea what an evolved therapod dinosaur looks like:

I once wrote a short story about humans encountering an evolved avian race from Earth's distant past, having fled some sort of mass extinction on a generation ship. There was a debate among the birds as to whether or not human beings really constituted intelligent life; eventually their scientists concluded that we did not, primarily because we never evolved wings.


DarthTom wrote: View Post
Perhaps the most ‘advanced’ dinosaur known to have been living at the time of the extinction was a small theropod called Troodon. They were small, upright dinosaurs that walked in a bipedal fashion and lived in large groups. Even more compelling was that detailed analysis of their brain structure seems to suggest that they possessed very good vision and even potentially the ability to solve complex problems.
Hell, they invented steam engines and normalized time travel, so I don't see why not.



Am I the only one on this board with kids?
__________________
The Complete Illustrated Guide to Starfleet - Online Now!
Crazy Eddie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 3 2014, 04:40 AM   #30
Crazy Eddie
Rear Admiral
 
Crazy Eddie's Avatar
 
Location: I'm in your ___, ___ing your ___
Re: 6 signs that reality is catching up with science fiction.

RAMA wrote: View Post
Any Singularity event renders prediction past a certain point of development in AI moot.
It doesn't render it moot. It renders it IMPOSSIBLE.

Which makes the rest of your prediction all the more empty.
__________________
The Complete Illustrated Guide to Starfleet - Online Now!
Crazy Eddie is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 10:48 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.