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Old February 1 2014, 09:13 PM   #481
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Nor should they.
Well in that case they should be the favorite to win the World Series every year by a fair margin.
And they have been

No they haven't. I can't think of a year in the last decade, perhaps beside 2009, where going into the year the Yankees were considered far and away the best team in the league. With their payroll it shouldn't even be a conversation. They shouldn't be on the same level as other teams. If you are spending 40% more then the other teams, then your team should be that much better. Not just in the grouping of good contending teams, but the absolute favorite.
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Old February 1 2014, 09:40 PM   #482
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I'll go on later, but it's the players that don't want a salary cap, not the owners.

(and if you were a player, you wouldn't want one either)
Steinbrenner wants a salary cap?
Don't know, but it' the player's union that doesn't want one.

If I was an owner, I'd want one.
If you were the owner of the Yankees, you'd want to give up your competitive advantage and start spending the same amount as the Athletics?

What about as a Yankees fan, since you're talking about what others want while admitting you don't know what Yankees ownership wants, do you think there should be a salary cap?
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Old February 1 2014, 10:42 PM   #483
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Well in that case they should be the favorite to win the World Series every year by a fair margin.
And they have been

No they haven't. I can't think of a year in the last decade, perhaps beside 2009, where going into the year the Yankees were considered far and away the best team in the league. With their payroll it shouldn't even be a conversation. They shouldn't be on the same level as other teams. If you are spending 40% more then the other teams, then your team should be that much better. Not just in the grouping of good contending teams, but the absolute favorite.
Then why do the haters complain? As far as you are concerned they just spend tons of money just to lose so why even bring it up as an unfair advantage?
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Old February 1 2014, 10:51 PM   #484
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Because it's still an advantage. They are relieved of the burdens of mismanagement. While they won't win every year, their money makes them competitive regardless of how stupid their decisions are. With the possible exception of teams in LA, no one else can do this. In addition, it distorts the market. Other teams can plan smart, but they can't save for the big final piece because they'll be outbid by NY for him. That's the problem.

For every other team, the luxury tax is enough to remedy this without having to go to the harsh inflexibility of a salary cap. But the Yankees are apparently immune to this as well now.
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Old February 1 2014, 10:58 PM   #485
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Because it's still an advantage. They are relieved of the burdens of mismanagement. While they won't win every year, their money makes them competitive regardless of how stupid their decisions are. With the possible exception of teams in LA, no one else can do this. In addition, it distorts the market. Other teams can plan smart, but they can't save for the big final piece because they'll be outbid by NY for him. That's the problem.

For every other team, the luxury tax is enough to remedy this without having to go to the harsh inflexibility of a salary cap. But the Yankees are apparently immune to this as well now.
It's clearly not that much of a problem since according to you the Yankees are mismanaged. As a matter of fact, they are doing the rest of the league a favor by buying up terrible players while leaving the door open for other teams to spend smartly. You should be grateful.
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Old February 2 2014, 02:34 AM   #486
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Went to Giants Fanfest today and had a great time. Didn't do any of the stuff that you had to stand in line for hours, such as the dugout tours (I think I heard you could have toured the locker room) or the autographs. I did get tickets for the July 3rd (My Birthday) game against the Cardinals and just took in the atmosphere. Walked on the field, took lots of pictures, and listened to the various KNBR interviews. It was a great day, and it's getting me ready for Baseball season. Can't believe Pitchers and Catchers report in a few weeks.
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Old February 2 2014, 03:36 AM   #487
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Because it's still an advantage. They are relieved of the burdens of mismanagement. While they won't win every year, their money makes them competitive regardless of how stupid their decisions are. With the possible exception of teams in LA, no one else can do this. In addition, it distorts the market. Other teams can plan smart, but they can't save for the big final piece because they'll be outbid by NY for him. That's the problem.

For every other team, the luxury tax is enough to remedy this without having to go to the harsh inflexibility of a salary cap. But the Yankees are apparently immune to this as well now.
It's clearly not that much of a problem since according to you the Yankees are mismanaged. As a matter of fact, they are doing the rest of the league a favor by buying up terrible players while leaving the door open for other teams to spend smartly. You should be grateful.
To me, it's just ridiculous that one or two teams can just nab every top notch player they want. Players that may or may not get them to the promised land, but might just put another team over the hump.

A cap certainly makes it more fair and more challenging for a team to "make it happen".
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Old February 2 2014, 06:09 PM   #488
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As a matter of fact, they are doing the rest of the league a favor by buying up terrible players while leaving the door open for other teams to spend smartly. You should be grateful.
See, this is the kind of shit that gets on people's nerves when talking with certain Yankees fans. It becomes one of two lines of conversation. It's either, "The Yankees have totally killed it this offseason, it's time for another World Series " like the Commissioner's Trophy is the Yankees' fucking divine right of Kings or some shit like that, or it's "Yeah, the Yankees are making it easy on everyone else on purpose, enjoy it while you can " like everything is God's Master Plan to make sure that Yankee Stadium will eventually always reign supreme. There's a complete lack of self-awareness and it's nauseating.

I mean, let's take a look at the Yankees' infield for this season. If / when Jeter and Teixeira go down in May (Teixeira is feeling stiffness in his wrist, which is a red flag after major surgery, and Jeter looks to be made of balsa wood at this point), an infield that exceeds the Marlins' entire payroll will then be earning about $7 million. Putting yourself in a situation where you need Brian Roberts to stay healthy is not a recipe for success. But there are people trying to rationalize that kind of dumpster diving as a masterstroke. The hell?

Anyway, two weeks to spring training, thank God. That the Cubs are focusing on making sure the kids learn (even though it's pretty much a given that every single Cubs prospect is going to bust horribly or look really good for a season and then get mauled by wolves or have their souls consumed by that terrifying new mascot or something) and are not even bothering to compete for another year is pretty relaxing: Pay attention for the first quarter of the season, gradually tune out as they suck, then root against the Cardinals in the playoffs isn't a bad way to watch baseball.

Except for anything that involves Starlin Castro plate appearances.

That part blows goats no matter what.
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Old February 2 2014, 06:15 PM   #489
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Heh, Cubs are going through a rough patch, but at least it's more or less intentional right now. Theo is pretty good at drafting, but unlike say the NFL, it takes a while for that to translate to the big club. Give it another 3-4 years, and should build up enough lottery tickets that at least a few start to pay off, then you can go grab the missing pieces in FA and see what happens.

Kinda brutal in the short term, but how building long-term success works in MLB. Unless you just drop a billion dollars and buy the Marlins' roster or something...
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Old February 2 2014, 06:20 PM   #490
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Oh, I'm well aware that it's intentional (I've always said that anyone who expected the Cubs to even sniff .500 before 2015 needs to have their head examined).

I'm also just resigned to Cubs prospects inevitably flaming out, sometimes in spectacular fashion.
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Old February 2 2014, 06:52 PM   #491
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Steinbrenner wants a salary cap?
Don't know, but it' the player's union that doesn't want one.

If I was an owner, I'd want one.
If you were the owner of the Yankees, you'd want to give up your competitive advantage and start spending the same amount as the Athletics?

What about as a Yankees fan, since you're talking about what others want while admitting you don't know what Yankees ownership wants, do you think there should be a salary cap?
I was not speaking for the Yankees. There are 31 other teams, and about what-24 of them aren't the "big spenders".

If I'm the other owners, where would I put that "cap"? What's "Fair"?....

A salary cap only puts more money in the owners pockets.

I can't believe the player union in the NFL accepted such a low cap.

If my Yankees were in and winning something like 70-80 percent of the WS's, then I would have a problem with it. But they aren't.

Personally, I want every scout that works for the A's to come work for the Yankees. Really, how good are they?

Is that an "unfair advantage"?

You can't deny what the Yankees do. They pay their players. They could spend 300 mill on a team... So their franchise give them the ability to make mistakes that others couldn't afford.

But there are billionaires out there that chose not to pay their players too... what do you do about them?
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I was not speaking for the Yankees. There are 31 other teams, and about what-24 of them aren't the "big spenders".
Well, I was, which is why I mentioned Steinbrenner. How about answering the question instead of deflecting and talking about other teams when my allegation is it's the Yankees that are the problem?

A salary cap only puts more money in the owners pockets.
Not necessarily. It's often tied to revenue and comes with spending floors.

If my Yankees were in and winning something like 70-80 percent of the WS's, then I would have a problem with it. But they aren't.
That's a straw man measurement. How about "in playoff contention 90% of the time"?

Personally, I want every scout that works for the A's to come work for the Yankees. Really, how good are they?
Maybe you can buy them too. My point was market shouldn't determine such a large percentage of competitive success. Smart decision-making by smart people should.

Is that an "unfair advantage"?
No. That's a fair advantage.
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Old February 2 2014, 09:31 PM   #493
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Answer to the last question is that instead of a cap, you do it like you do now, except keep escalating the penalties for being over the tax threshold, make it hurt a little more.

And in addition, you create a FLOOR that teams have to spend to if they want to participate in the revenue sharing, and penalties for not reaching THAT as well. Teams that spend less than their share of the revenue sharing piss me off, and should be contracted. If I give you 30M in cash, plus you charge for tickets and food/booze, why can't you field a team that costs more than 25M? Just plain old greed there...
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Old February 2 2014, 10:44 PM   #494
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I'd be fine with that provided we actually reach a penalty even the Yankees would comply with. For awhile, it looked like we did and I was prepared to think of Baseball's system as a good one. But I fear nothing will overcome the market imbalance.
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Braves lock up Freddie Freeman for 8 / 125.

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