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Old January 15 2014, 07:29 AM   #16
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Re: Episode of the Week: 4x03 "Brothers"

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do you think Riker serves as the unintentional vessel of expressing the writer's personality? ... In "Brothers", well, Riker is a real bona fide jerk who looks down on people even when they're not at any real fault.


Who wrote Brothers?
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Old January 15 2014, 03:56 PM   #17
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do you think Riker serves as the unintentional vessel of expressing the writer's personality? ... In "Brothers", well, Riker is a real bona fide jerk who looks down on people even when they're not at any real fault.


Who wrote Brothers?
Rick Berman in one of his rare solo-writing gigs. Funny when he does an episode by himself without Brannon Braga, he actually turns out some good material like this episode. Even SFDebris, who puts a huge percentage of Star Trek's failure on his shoulders ended his Brothers reviews with "You did good Rick".
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Old January 17 2014, 12:12 AM   #18
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There's one other observation I just thought of after seeing how many of you brought up Riker's treatment of poor Jake. When it comes to the series writers, do you think Riker serves as the unintentional vessel of expressing the writer's personality? In "The Best of Both Worlds", many have compared Riker's conflict of taking his own command or staying on the Enterprise to be Michael Piller using his own conflict on whether to stay with Star Trek or leave the show. Which by the way ended with both Riker and Piller sticking around. In "Brothers", well, Riker is a real bona fide jerk who looks down on people even when they're not at any real fault. Still, it could have been worse. I don't recall Riker ever wanting an officer discharged because they did an exemplary job at his post.
I believe Rob Bowman was fired from the show after season 2, but he was the best man for the job when it came to the split-screen stuff for Spiner, so he was rehired for an episode.

Kinda like Riker in Chain of Command 2.

Rob Bowman wasn't fired, he was never on staff. That's not how it works with TV directors. You're asked back by the production and contracted for that single episode. If they like your work and you're still available, you keep getting asked back. Rob Bowman was directing a lot of TV at that time and simply was unavailable during all of TNG's Season Three, only becoming available for "Brothers" in Season Four. Afterwards, he worked most steadily on "The X-Files" for years, becoming their go-to director for hire. But in no way was he "fired" from TNG.
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Old January 17 2014, 12:49 AM   #19
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I researched it further, and yeah, you're right.

The director also spoke about his decision to "I missed it, and I came back and directed 'Brothers', which I thought was a wonderful script by Rick Berman, but by that point it was just time to move on," Bowman explained

"My agent was really pounding on me, and I thought it actually had sort of soured them and me on the whole thing. But in the end I think he was wrong. I think I would have been better served if I'd stayed, because I enjoyed the show. I enjoyed the crew, I enjoyed the cast. I loved Paramount studios, and I wish I would have been there longer. I've been a part of something that's very special."


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Psh, agents!

I do recall reading however that it was the difficulty in shooting multiple Brent Spiners for the same shot that made them call on him again, as he had directed Datalore.
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Old January 17 2014, 01:39 AM   #20
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I researched it further, and yeah, you're right.

The director also spoke about his decision to "I missed it, and I came back and directed 'Brothers', which I thought was a wonderful script by Rick Berman, but by that point it was just time to move on," Bowman explained

"My agent was really pounding on me, and I thought it actually had sort of soured them and me on the whole thing. But in the end I think he was wrong. I think I would have been better served if I'd stayed, because I enjoyed the show. I enjoyed the crew, I enjoyed the cast. I loved Paramount studios, and I wish I would have been there longer. I've been a part of something that's very special."


http://www.trektoday.com/news/060502_02.shtml
Psh, agents!

I do recall reading however that it was the difficulty in shooting multiple Brent Spiners for the same shot that made them call on him again, as he had directed Datalore.
Absolutely right, it was Bowman's technical expertise that put him at the top of the list of directors sought out for this episode and he did a fantastic job in the 8 day schedule allotted for shooting.
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Old January 17 2014, 01:55 AM   #21
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Rob Bowman wasn't fired, he was never on staff. That's not how it works with TV directors. You're asked back by the production and contracted for that single episode. If they like your work and you're still available, you keep getting asked back... Afterwards, he worked most steadily on "The X-Files" for years, becoming their go-to director for hire.
That's true for most television directors, although series often have directing producers on staff these days. Bowman held such a position on The X-Files and now has the same function on Castle. Other examples of directors on staff would be Jon Cassar on 24 and Michael Rymer on Battlestar: Galactica.

Having said that, you're absolutely right about Bowman. He was a "director for hire" on Star Trek: The Next Generation, and certainly wasn't fired. That rarely happens on episodic television, since the schedule is over so quickly that it's probably easier to just let a troublesome director finish their work and never hire them again than it is to go to the trouble of firing them.
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Old January 18 2014, 01:02 AM   #22
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I think you're being a bit overcritical.
Here's the thing. The locals and the crew of the Enterprise know the planet has fruit that's life-threatening when ingested and that the planet itself has no cure for it. Not only did they put an arcade in walking distance from this fruit, they apparently didn't put any warnings signs there either since any existence of such things would have been mentioned. Ignoring warning signs has a lot more weight to it than assuming that a child would know the same things that an adult knows, which is a very, very stupid assumption to make.
A lot of children in real life have bushes full of poisonous berries in their backyard. They try to eat them once when they are three, and their mother tells them no, it will make you sick. They don't try again. If six year olds can do calculus, I think they can be taught not to 'Eated the purpleberries'. In a galactic community one of the first things you must learn is not to eat strange food without being absolutely sure it's safe.

It wasn't his fault his brother got sick, but making your brother think he killed you is something that would get any child yelled at.
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Old January 19 2014, 11:28 PM   #23
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If six year olds can do calculus, I think they can be taught not to 'Eated the purpleberries'. In a galactic community one of the first things you must learn is not to eat strange food without being absolutely sure it's safe.
I wonder why Gene Roddenberry didn't step in and demand this scene be changed since it paints humanity as quite infantile and imperfect. I mean, the whole crew is rushing to save this boy's life even though death is an accepted part of life. What's the rush? Gene probably would have had Riker scolding Jake for having a brother who panics at the mere thought that he accidentally killed him, insisting that as perfect human beings they shouldn't be so attached to each other. I mean, just look at how attached Riker is to Troi. So much history, set up and moments yet they never decide to commit during the whole seven year long run.
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Old January 23 2014, 06:57 AM   #24
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I like the episode, I guess partly cause Data is one of my favorite characters, but I think the stuff with the emotion chip was done a bit confusingly (like how Lore would need it given he already has them?)

but it was interesting to see Soong, and to learn more about Data's origins, and it brings Lore back into the show as a future enemy which is good, the sub plot with the kid was okay, I think it's meant to be a contrast to the relationship between Data and Lore which it sort of does but it isn't brilliantly pulled off.
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Old January 23 2014, 02:48 PM   #25
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While not explained in the episode, I think that Lore took the chip in the irrational belief that it would "fix" him...his own emotions having obviously been off-kilter, such that Soong felt the need to shut him down and build a new android.
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Old January 27 2014, 07:24 PM   #26
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i really liked the whole sequence with data taking over the ship. the super long security code, talking in picards voice, good stuff. i was surprised to learn that rick berman wrote the episode!
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Old January 28 2014, 01:39 AM   #27
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I didn't find out until several years after this episode aired that Spiner played Dr. Soong. Good work playing three characters like that.
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Old February 1 2014, 06:14 PM   #28
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Convenient that Soong didn't activate the beacon during a crisis, such as during Best of Both Worlds!
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