RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 144,444
Posts: 5,672,249
Members: 25,616
Currently online: 403
Newest member: anthonpils

TrekToday headlines

Retro Review: Parallax
By: Michelle on Apr 17

New ThinkGeek Trek Shirts
By: T'Bonz on Apr 17

Star Trek Online Adds Voyager Actor
By: T'Bonz on Apr 17

Project Enterprise Campaign Debuts
By: T'Bonz on Apr 16

Star Trek Live In Concert Update
By: T'Bonz on Apr 16

Crofoot: Angel One And The Offspring
By: T'Bonz on Apr 15

Inner Light Screenwriter Brooklyn Appearances
By: T'Bonz on Apr 15

Star Trek #44 Comic Preview
By: T'Bonz on Apr 14

Mulgrew Chicago Appearance
By: T'Bonz on Apr 14

Her Universe Fashion Show Contest
By: T'Bonz on Apr 13

Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.

Go Back   The Trek BBS > Entertainment & Interests > Science Fiction & Fantasy

Science Fiction & Fantasy All your nerd stuff goes here.

Thread Tools
Old January 30 2014, 03:51 AM   #46
JD's Avatar
Location: Arizona, USA
Re: Mentally Ill Protagonists #1 - Buffy Summers

You're not the only one.
They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it is not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance. - Terry Pratchett, Equal Rites
JD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 31 2014, 03:08 AM   #47
The Borgified Corpse
The Borgified Corpse's Avatar
Location: Ouch! Forgotten already? You were just down there 20 minutes ago.
Re: Mentally Ill Protagonists #1 - Buffy Summers

AgentCoop wrote: View Post
The Circle Of The Black Thorn thing on Angel seems rushed because it was. They didn't find out from the network that they were getting cancelled until they were two-thirds of the way through the season. They had mere weeks to tie up four and a half years worth of show. Given those circumstances, I'd say the results are pretty impressive.
First of all, Joss Whedon himself is at least somewhat to blame for getting the show canceled because he was the one that insisted that the WB give him an early answer. Had he not been so insistent and waited until the end of the year, they might have decided to take a chance on renewing the show since its Season 5 ratings were an improvement over Season 4.

It's also possible that the show would have been canceled anyway. David Boreanaz & 20th Century Fox both wanted more money and it was never a cheap show to begin with. They might have priced themselves out of the market anyway. We'll never really know.

But considering Joss Whedon insisted on an early decision specifically so that they could plan ahead for the series finale, I'm surprised that it feels quite as rushed as it did. Even if they didn't know for sure whether the show was going to continue, they had to know from the outset that cancellation was a strong possibility. The show had already been on the bubble for much of Season 4. And I remember feeling pretty sure from the outset that Season 5 would be the last season. And even if it wasn't, they still would have needed to do some kind of big finish for the season finale. I don't think they needed to do much but I think at least a little extra early prep work to sow the seeds of the Circle of the Black Thorn would have been appreciated, even if it was just showing the symbol in the background a few times.

Lance wrote: View Post
Season 6 of BtVS was just unhinged. I don't know why, I don't know if maybe something went wrong behind the scenes? But for whatever reason, all of the ducks lined up at once... and created an entire season that was just totally over the edge.
I don't know that anything behind the scenes "went wrong" per se. I just have a sneaking suspicion that, left to their own devices, Joss Whedon, Marti Noxon, & Jane Espenson can be their own worst enemies. They all struggle so much with the notion of ever letting their characters be happy. I think Season 6 was just a perfect storm of all of the characters being miserable all at once. Whereas before, the show was better at alternating and having some characters happy while other characters were miserable.

I also wonder how much we might have to thank WB network interference for keeping those more morose tendencies in check during the first 5 seasons. I don't know how it was for the Buffy writers, but I know that the writers on Roswell remaked that they had much more of a free reign on UPN than they did on the WB. (On Roswell, part of that manifested in the fact that everyone seemed to have much more robust sex lives in Season 3 than they did in Seasons 1 & 2.)

Holdfast wrote: View Post
I thought Buffy was a far better show than any of the other Whedon projects, especially in hindsight, largely because its central conceit was the most interesting. Essentially Buffy's life represents a failure to really grow from a relatively average young teenager into a well-rounded normal human being.
You've got a point there. In that respect, the show was very well done. But it's a real bummer. Who wants to watch a show about that?
Kegg: "You're a Trekkie. The capacity to quibble over the minutiae of space opera films is your birthright."
The Borgified Corpse is offline   Reply With Quote


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

All times are GMT +1. The time now is 09:03 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.