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Old January 26 2014, 11:28 PM   #136
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Re: Natalie Portman in "Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones"

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When the toys came out, for Phantom Menace, the competition on the packaging was "Who is Darth Sideous!?".

These movies were made for 7 year olds who would look up to the 10 year old playing Anikan as a larger that life mythic ideal they would admire forever.

Luke is 16?

Luke is 19.

Punk Kid.

I don't want 19 year old to drive, god forbid save the galaxy.
This post both intrigued me and made me profoundly dizzy. Anybody else taste copper?

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Old January 26 2014, 11:34 PM   #137
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What does "Lord" actually do for Vader or Count do for Dooku if a political appointee like grand Moff Tarkin has more muscle than the Emperor's apparent heir apparent? Is there a Royalty that covers the entire Empire, or is it the lording over a single planet?
Dooku is "count" on the planet Serenno. He couldn't inherit when he joined the Jedi Order, but when he left, he went back home and scooped up the old title (and the attached wealth).
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Old January 26 2014, 11:39 PM   #138
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Yeah I was very disappointed they dropped the notion that Dooku wasn't entirely evil and was planning to betray Sidious in the name of the Jedi. He told that to Obi-Wan in AOTC and the excellent novel "Dark Rendezvous" continued that idea, but then it was quickly dropped from all other media and he was just evil.
I don't think Dooku was ever really planning to betray Sidious, and certainly not in the name of the Jedi; at best, he was playing the Sith rule-of-two game and trying to get Obi-Wan to join with him against the master, but I'm not even sure I would go that far.
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Old January 26 2014, 11:45 PM   #139
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When I first saw the scene between Dooku and Obi-Wan it seemed like a deliberate imitation of the Vader-Luke scene on Cloud City where Vader offers his son the power to co-rule the galaxy at his side, although in the case of Vader I could have seen that happen had Luke fallen to the Dark Side under his father's captivity and influence. Vader knew that two Skywalkers joining their immense powers could possibly overthrow the Emperor and it wasn't just some complete fantasy created out of thin air to sway Luke to his side.

If Dooku at any point thought he could topple Sidious and become the new Sith Master I still have trouble believing that he thought Obi-Wan Kenobi would convert and become his apprentice. Obi-Wan was stubborn, headstrong and reckless but a prime candidate for slipping to the Dark Side thanks to some flowery words he wasn't.
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Old January 26 2014, 11:54 PM   #140
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I think Dooku was entirely disillusioned with the Jedi and, while I can see him eventually betraying Palpatine ... it would certainly not be in the name of the Jedi - but rather his own idealized notion of right and wrong. This, to me, is the most compelling element to his character. He and Qui-Gon are not so different, after all (and, by extension, Obi-Wan and Anakin). It's just that Dooku (and Anakin) are more willing to let the ends justify their means, whereas Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan are more concerned with how they accomplish their goals.
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Old January 27 2014, 12:36 AM   #141
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You can leave the Jedi with no repercussions?

I didn't think that the Council would execute fallen Jedi that gave their cherry for love but.. Just remind me, are Jedi not allowed to frakk, not allowed to fall in love or not allowed to marry, or all three?

In Judge Dredd, if you are a Judge who acquires a sexual partner, it's illegal and immoral and distracts you from your job, you're not even allowed to kiss others romantically, and the punishment is exile to Titan. Unfortunately the lunal colony of Titan is still not terraformed completely and it is still easier to surgically alter the residents by ripping their noses off and fiddling around about in there, then building domed cities or constantly making sure that everyone has a working rebreathing device at an ever mounting cost to the state.

Anikan could have just left the jedi and married Padme?

Nothing was standing between him and true love except pride?

If the Council weren't going to exile him or force neuter Anikan by expelling his midichlolirans, or even fine him financially every time he's seen using the force in public? There were absolutely no consequences to walking away from his responsibilities other than that he was so vain that he thought that the war would have been too hard to win without him?

Anikan might not have been a general any more, but he would have been a senators husband, which would have reinvented the war for him and how to win it... (Think about first ladies in the real world (in the real world a male first lady is called a first gentleman).).

Building the Empire must have been more important than corrupting Anikan and drawing him to the Darkside, unless it wasn't?

1 of 2 things are going to happen if Anikan retired from Jedi Life, 1, Palpatine offers Anikan a job as advisor or chief of security and continues to pervert him, or 2, Palpatine hits the pause button on the war and his Jedi solution until he can find a more suitable apprentice who isn't happily married and making babies.
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Old January 27 2014, 12:56 AM   #142
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Guys guys guys. You're all forgetting the most important point here:

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Never trust a cheese company not to give into the lowest common denomator.
It's like a fundamental truth of the Jedi faith.
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Old January 27 2014, 01:10 AM   #143
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I chose my words poorly when I said "in the name of the Jedi", I should have said in the name of good/justice. It seemed that he was going deep undercover, going to the Dark Side in order to defeat the Sith Lord, because the Jedi were too incompetent to save the day. That he used the Dark Side but it did NOT control him the way it does Anakin or Maul.

That would have been a much more interesting story... but then he got his head lopped off ten minutes into ROTS
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Old January 27 2014, 01:40 AM   #144
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The thing about the dark side is, if you were to really try such a thing, you'd probably be corrupted. It's like the One Ring... you could try to use it with good intentions, but you would eventually fall. You would use it, but it would use you. The experienced Jedi know this. Their stance re: the dark side could be likened to the moral of WarGames: the only solution is not to play.
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Old January 27 2014, 01:54 AM   #145
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The Jedi were Sideous' stooges. Their endgame was suicide by their Commander in chiefs design.

As Supreme Chancellor you would think that his religion would not be grounds for immediate execution with extreme prejudice... A lot of border line mentally ill Americans with IQs in the medium double digits think that their president is somehow a Muslim (as well as that Muslim automatically equals bad.), you know this is true. Nut jobs with nutjob beliefs.

Problem is, if the nutjob with the nutjob belief is the President or the Supreme Chancellor (Any one get faint thinking about Anna Chancellor?) can another bunch of nutjob whackos, voodoo priest commandos or survivalist supremacists, whatever, legally murder the legally instated absolute ruler of the nation or empire this murder is about to take place in/on without a terminal comeuppance?

I don't remember Harvey Lee Oswald crowd surfing off that bell tower to the throng of adoring fans who were finally so happy to be free of JFK's oppression and tyranny...

If Yoda had killed Palpatine at the climax of Revenge of the Sith, "But he was a Sith!" would not have cut it as the police ran him up a tree. Yoda would have gone to jail and then the Jedi would have been discredited, disenfranchised and eventually discontinued.

In death Palpatine would have become more powerful than than they could possibly imagine.

(If they crucified Yoda, would they have used a regular sized crucifix, or would then have built a special children's sized one for him, unless then already had crucifixes for children on hand?)
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Old January 27 2014, 02:20 AM   #147
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(If they crucified Yoda, would they have used a regular sized crucifix, or would then have built a special children's sized one for him, unless then already had crucifixes for children on hand?)
I don't know about crucifixion, but I've long suspected that Yoda gets hung up on the wall at the Children's Television Workshop along with all the other Muppets every evening at 10pm after they've finished taping Sesame Street for the day.

And Hayden Christensen gets hung up there alongside him. Because George Lucas has finished with pulling his strings already.
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