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Old January 26 2014, 04:49 AM   #61
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Re: Disney's Frozen - Grading and Discussion

^ I'm a "grown man" and not afraid to admit that the "Let It Go" song/sequence chokes me up a bit. I've seen it twice with my daughter (and maybe that's why the song strikes a chord with me), but I wouldn't hesitate to see it by myself, either.
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Old January 26 2014, 04:52 AM   #62
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For me... "The First Time in Forever" reprise gets me. Couldn't say why. "Let It Go" sounds like a song of defiance.
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Old January 26 2014, 04:58 AM   #63
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"Let It Go" sounds like a song of defiance.
It is. Defiance. Rebellion. Embracing of oneself despite expectations of family and society. It's brilliant, really. Such emotions. And the way Idina Menzel sings it ... it's powerful.
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Old January 26 2014, 05:10 AM   #64
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Ok, here is my 5 year old son singing Let it Go. All he wanted was a Karaoke machine for Christmas, so that he could sing with a mic. Took this video on Christmas, to show the person who got it for him. He chose to sing Let it Go.

This is the short version, so you don't have to sit through the whole song. All choreography is his own.
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Old January 26 2014, 05:16 AM   #65
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^ I'm a "grown man" and not afraid to admit that the "Let It Go" song/sequence chokes me up a bit. I've seen it twice with my daughter (and maybe that's why the song strikes a chord with me), but I wouldn't hesitate to see it by myself, either.
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For me... "The First Time in Forever" reprise gets me. Couldn't say why. "Let It Go" sounds like a song of defiance.
I'm 29 and I choked up a couple of times, especially during "Let it Go".
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Old January 26 2014, 05:34 AM   #66
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I think, in some ways, we've all experienced having to hide parts of who we are because of social conventions. Admitting them to ourselves, accepting them, reveling in the power of being who we were meant to be ... it's a profoundly emotional experience. That's what the song conveys. So it's no wonder that it's an emotional experience.

@ Tom Hendricks ... that's precious ... and awesome!

Having something like that on video is ... priceless.
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Old January 26 2014, 09:05 AM   #67
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According to my friend, Frozen is an allegory for transgendered people accepting their "true" gender. The Ice Princess accepts her true gender in spite of society while the snowman represents someone conforming to societal pressure.
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Old January 26 2014, 09:33 AM   #68
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I think we all see what we want to see. Elsa is like all of us who have been outcasts at one point or another.
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Old January 26 2014, 10:16 AM   #69
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I saw it more as a gay/coming out metaphor - I mean, Elsa almost literally spends part of the movie "in the closet" - but the transgender reading works, too, of course. (although I don't see how Olaf would play into that)

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Old January 26 2014, 01:38 PM   #70
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Well, it certainly can be a metaphor for the struggle many in the LGBT community go through. And I think it works very well - very powerfully - as that. And for all I know that was the intent. It makes sense that there would be an awareness by the filmmakers that it would be interpreted that way (are there any interviews with the writers/director that touch on the subject?). But I agree with Peach Wookie that Elsa's self-discovery and self-acceptance is more universal and can apply to anyone who has felt as though they've had to hide their true self for fear of being an outcast. Heck, it works even on the level of a child going through adolescence and rebelling against the wishes and expectations of parents. I think that's to the credit of the film, too - it becomes this mirror for the audience, allowing many different people to identify with Elsa's conflicts - internal and external.
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Old January 26 2014, 11:02 PM   #71
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I've seen this twice now, once with my brother in a packed theatre, the second time in 3D on my own in a near empty room. Oddly I felt a little underwhelmed right after both times but then felt more excited the more I thought and read about the film.

I think that's to the credit of the film, too - it becomes this mirror for the audience, allowing many different people to identify with Elsa's conflicts - internal and external.
It's most obviously a metaphor for mental illness itself (Co-Director Jennifer Lee answered a tweet saying it was meant to show anxiety and depression*) but yes, a lot of the appeal of Elsa is that most everyone can relate to her in one way or another. Gender Identity, adolescence, religious persecution, etc. I even saw someone list dozens more examples on Tumblr but comically they then deliberately ignored sexuality.

The sad thing about 'Let it Go' though is that a lot of it isn't about accepting her powers but locking herself back up in a new room, emphasized when she closes the ice palace doors at the end of the song.

* Jennifer Lee has actually answered quite a few tweets about Frozen, worth checking out.
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Old January 26 2014, 11:06 PM   #72
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Elsa definitely came across as having mental issues. That whole reprise of "The First Time in Forever" came out that way, I thought. She didn't want to hurt Anna and was trying to keep her away so she wouldn't. Anna wanted to help and was accidentally hurt.
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Old January 27 2014, 12:25 AM   #73
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It's most obviously a metaphor for mental illness itself (Co-Director Jennifer Lee answered a tweet saying it was meant to show anxiety and depression*)
Since when are anxiety and depression necessarily signs of mental illness? I daresay many people go through both without being mentally ill.

Besides, Jennifer Lee's tweet seems to indicate that while anxiety and depression were intentional, mental illness is not explicit.

So again, mental illness is another way Elsa's journey can be interpreted ... but not explicitly so.

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The sad thing about 'Let it Go' though is that a lot of it isn't about accepting her powers but locking herself back up in a new room, emphasized when she closes the ice palace doors at the end of the song.
Agreed. There's also the reprise of "For The First Time" where Elsa mentions "Oh I'm such a fool, I can't be free! / No escape from the storm inside of me!". That's part of the story - accepting herself isn't enough ... re-integrating with society, or rather using her abilities for the benefit of everyone, and not just herself, is where her power truly lies.
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Old January 27 2014, 02:09 AM   #74
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It's most obviously a metaphor for mental illness itself (Co-Director Jennifer Lee answered a tweet saying it was meant to show anxiety and depression*)
Since when are anxiety and depression necessarily signs of mental illness? I daresay many people go through both without being mentally ill.
Since Anxiety and Depression are classified mental illnesses? Lee even brings up Hans Christian Anderson as an example. But sure, they can refer to emotions too, and it is just a metaphor since, you know, Ice powers.
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Old January 27 2014, 02:32 AM   #75
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^ My point was that anxiety and depression aren't, necessarily (or absolutely), signs of mental illness. One can be both depressed and experience anxiety without being mentally ill. And, for the record, Lee, wasn't the one to bring up Hans Christian Anderson, it was part of the tweets she was replying to:

Stefanie ‏@GStacyLA Jan 10 @alittlejelee The way Elsa says things and her body language strongly suggest anxiety and depression to me. I was wondering if that was
Stefanie ‏@GStacyLA Jan 10 @alittlejelee intentional or not, especially given HCA's mental illness. (Either way, it means a lot to this fan who has Bipolar II.)
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@GStacyLA definitely was intentional to show anxiety and depression. Not necessarily for HCA, more for the story, but yes. Warm hugs to you.
As Lee says, it was intentional to show anxiety and depression, but not necessarily mental illness - at least as far as "HCA" is concerned. In other words, they were depicted "more for the story" than for an explicit connection to mental illness. So, yes, like the struggles of the LGBT community, Frozen could absolutely be a metaphor for mental illness. But it's not necessarily, nor explicitly so, since anxiety and depression are part of many challenging moments in life and do not always denote a mental illness (or do you mean to suggest that the anxiety and depression felt by someone struggling to come "out of the closet" is a sign that they have a mental illness?). Again, the metaphor is bigger than any single issue.
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