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Old December 30 2013, 10:52 PM   #136
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I ended up receiving this as a birthday gift, and have only gone through things briefly so far, but already my favourite map is the Federation Historical Map, I'll be putting that one up on my wall. The booklet is very interesting indeed as it is written in-universe.

As mentioned above, I'm unsure what the point would be in releasing a digital edition of this. The book is a companion to the maps, not really a separate thing, and the selling point of this entire thing are the maps themselves. I suppose you could "enhance" the maps with media. I believe 47 North released a multimedia enchanced version of The Jedi Path earlier this year which looked really intriguing. I think Del Ray has done the same with a couple of their recent Essential Guides. That'd probably be the only way you would be able to release a digital e-book version.
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Old January 6 2014, 03:27 AM   #137
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Finally had a chance to go through the maps and I have to say for myself, this is exactly what I expected it to be. I have yet to read through the book, but I'm very impressed with the maps so far. I love the fact that on the Federation Historical Map and the Alpha and Beta Quadrant Map's you can see Starbases and Starfleet's Deep Space Stations. I put up the following maps on my wall: The History of the Federation, Dominon War, and the Alpha and Beta Quadrant Maps. I'd put up more but I'm out of room. I am very pleased with this book.
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Old January 6 2014, 05:25 PM   #138
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On a less pleasing note, I also also know that Denobula has been thrown around all over the place to accommodate the Romulan War chronology from Federation: The First 150 Years (I much prefer the novels' version).

I was wondering, how common are these additions and/or changes?
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Old January 8 2014, 05:05 PM   #139
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This is a lightning deal at the moment on Amazon.
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Old January 24 2014, 02:48 PM   #140
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As I said earlier in this thread, it was a shame how this didn't really update the Star Charts to include ENT s2-4. Anyway I was just randomly watching DS9: The Adversary (season 3 finale) and noticed a couple of omissions there.

Barisa Prime is noted as a Federation colony near Tzenkenthi space, yet whilst paging through the Star Charts while watching the ep I couldn't find it marked anywhere (which is odd as Barisa Prime is listed on the big list of UFP planets on the first fold out map)
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Barisa_Prime

And there's also the Tzenkethi colony world the Defiant is heading for to attack. Its name escapes me, but it wasn't marked on the map either; there's just the Tzenketh homeworld.


So that was just a random ep I watched, which makes me wonder how many other minor omissions there may be on it, which again, it's a shame they couldn't have been fixed for Stellar C
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Old January 24 2014, 07:15 PM   #141
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As I said earlier in this thread, it was a shame how this didn't really update the Star Charts to include ENT s2-4. Anyway I was just randomly watching DS9: The Adversary (season 3 finale) and noticed a couple of omissions there.

Barisa Prime is noted as a Federation colony near Tzenkenthi space, yet whilst paging through the Star Charts while watching the ep I couldn't find it marked anywhere (which is odd as Barisa Prime is listed on the big list of UFP planets on the first fold out map)
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Barisa_Prime

And there's also the Tzenkethi colony world the Defiant is heading for to attack. Its name escapes me, but it wasn't marked on the map either; there's just the Tzenketh homeworld.


So that was just a random ep I watched, which makes me wonder how many other minor omissions there may be on it, which again, it's a shame they couldn't have been fixed for Stellar C
M’Kemas is the system in question, and I agree that it’s unfortunate that both M’Kemas and Barisa were omitted. It’s strange that while certain liberties were taken in order to flesh out other alien territories – interpreting Klingon and Romulan, even First Federation, ship names as star systems, for instance – some regions are left far barer than they need to be. The Talarians are another example – Talar and Galen are included, but Castal and Woden (two systems easily placed within the vicinity of Talarian space) are not. Contrast with the Ferengi Alliance and its stellar neighbourhood, where almost every obscure system is featured, including those mentioned once in offhand comments and those extrapolated from demonyms – the Ludugia System features, name taken from the Ludugial gold that Ferengi were trading in during one episode of TNG. This inconsistency is rather odd, in my opinion; many obscure systems were omitted even in spite of being readily linked to certain small areas – M’Kemas, Barisa, Castal, etc – while many others were meticulously featured.

Similarly, and as you've noted, the list of Federation member worlds names planets that don’t actually appear on the map, while Whatever-ian Wool or Wherehaveyou-ian Ale is acknowledged with a relevantly named star system in the Cardassian Union or surrounding neutral territory (DS9 did quite well out of this). We have Inkaria, Delavi and Rudellia, but oddly no Lissepia, despite that world being mentioned about twice a season. Nor is Luria shown, despite Morn being of considerably more interest than Delavian Chocolate . Obscure Federation worlds from the movies are sometimes included – Kazar, Aaamazzara - but others – Kashet, Efros, Arken – are not. It's all so very arbitrary and confusing...

There seem to be some updates to this "new edition" - Mirada, Devos and Ventani have been added to the Dominion War map of Cardassian-proximate territories, and I think Cold Station 12 made it in (as, strangely but happily, did Vanguard Station). I would have liked for every system to be included, though.
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Old January 24 2014, 07:50 PM   #142
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Why can't there be an update to the Star Charts within a few years?
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Old January 24 2014, 09:28 PM   #143
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^ Well, there could, if you mean in a book format like StCh as opposed to the big fold out posters of StCa. It's just whether it would be deemed to sell enough.



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, exactly. I see someone else has studied the names of all the stars on it as much as I did

Other random examples that are included would be Fellebia, only coming from a throwaway line from Phlox in ENT: Unexpected "When in Fellebia, do as the Fellebians do."

Vitar, presumably the home Vitarian wool, a type of fabric used in some clothes Garak sold to Morn in that oh so very memorable scene from DS9: Way of the Warrior (joke)

and Neethia, from a Neethian cradlefish, throwaway line in ENT: Vox Sola


So yeah, it can be fairly random. I imagine it must have been pretty hard to put together, however they did it; watching 700 episodes with a pen and paper in hand writing down notes maybe!



Even after Stellar C, I'm still gonna prefer to look at the Star Charts. Finding it fun now every time I watch a random Trek episode I'll look up the relevant planet/area of space they're in said episode and see what their general route is.
Before The Adversary I watched TNG: Chain of Command, and it's cool looking up Minos Korva, the McAllister C-5 nebula, Celtris, Lyshan, Tohvun, and Torman, just from that two-parter.





But I really do admire and love the care, attention and detail that went into it.
One of my favourite such things is the Rogue planet in the Dark Matter in Cardassian space (from DS9: A Time To Stand / Rocks and Shoals.) At the end of that Season 6 opener their warp drive is fried, and Dr Bashir says without warp it will take them "Seven years, two months and three days" to reach the closest Federation starbase.

So the fastest they could go is full impulse, which is ¼ the speed of light. If you work it out going at that speed in that amount of time it would work out the base is just over 4 light years away… and if you look at the map, using the scale key, there is an outpost, Gamma 7, 4 light years away.


IMO that's pretty cool.


The only problem is looking at Gamma 7 on Memory Alpha-
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Gamma_7_outpost
It's meant to be near the DMZ, which in its location there it isn't really.

* Hope it's ok to use that picture, let me know if not and I'll remove it. I just found the background maps pic from a google image search

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Old January 24 2014, 10:08 PM   #144
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And just be a huge nerd about it, just that little area covers stuff from all these episodes-
DS9: Duet, The Homecoming, The Maquis, Defiant, Improbable Cause, Shakaar, For The Cause, To The Death, Broken Link, Treachery, Faith and the Great River, Shadows & Symbols, Tacking Into The Wind, The Dogs of War, and VOY: Caretaker and Dreadnought
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Old January 24 2014, 11:52 PM   #145
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The latest "Star Trek Magazine" from Titan (Pike/Kirk covers) has a good article on "Stellar Cartography", going through many of the decisions that had to be made to present each of the alien-origin maps, and how they needed to adjust things from "Star Charts".
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Old January 25 2014, 12:33 AM   #146
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I don't really see how Star Trek: Star Charts's decisions on what to include and exclude could help but be somewhat arbitrary, as it would have been virtually impossible to include every potential planet of interest in whatever amount of time the author had to complete the book.
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I don't really see how Star Trek: Star Charts's decisions on what to include and exclude could help but be somewhat arbitrary.
Exactly, which is why they pinpointed a different era for each alien map. They are not all as-seen-in-"Nemesis".
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Old January 25 2014, 02:14 AM   #148
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Indeed not. A good thing.
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Old January 25 2014, 02:25 AM   #149
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Trust me, as someone who has made his own Star Charts of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, using Star Charts as a basis and then correcting and adjusting, adding everything that was left out and/or present after its publication (using only screen-references) makes a VERY busy map. I wish I had the expertise and the software to make a 3-D map because making it 2-D (and I had to buy a roll of graph paper so each quadrant measures approx. 3x5 feet) gets highly congested and distances tend to get distorted.

I wish there was some way I could scan it and share it with y'all. I would love to have discussions about it.
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Trust me, as someone who has made his own Star Charts of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, using Star Charts as a basis and then correcting and adjusting, adding everything that was left out and/or present after its publication (using only screen-references) makes a VERY busy map. I wish I had the expertise and the software to make a 3-D map because making it 2-D (and I had to buy a roll of graph paper so each quadrant measures approx. 3x5 feet) gets highly congested and distances tend to get distorted.

I wish there was some way I could scan it and share it with y'all. I would love to have discussions about it.
I wish you could too.
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