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Old January 23 2014, 12:10 AM   #151
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Re: Question to those most disappointed with the SW prequels

Wookiepedia might have an explanation.
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Old January 23 2014, 12:10 AM   #152
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Re: Question to those most disappointed with the SW prequels

Here are the relevant passages:

"All organic damage has been repaired." The droid checked another readout. "This systemic failure cannot be explained."
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Not physically, Obi-Wan thought. He squeezed her hand as though he could keep life within her body by simple pressure. "Padme, you have to hold on."
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Padme reached across with her free hand, with the hand she had laid upon the brow of her firstborn son, and pressed something into Obi-Wan's palm.
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He stood in the hall outside, looking down at what she had pressed into his hand. It was a pendant of some kind, an amulet, unfamiliar sigils carved into some sort of organic material, strung on a loop of leather. In the Force, he could feel traces of the touch of her skin.
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Obi-Wan looked down at the simple, child-like symbols carved into it, and felt from it in the Force soaring echoes of transcendent love, and the bleak, black despair of unendurable heartbreak.
So the element of heartbreak is there, but so are elements of Padme's connection to Anakin, possibly through the Force.
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Old January 23 2014, 12:15 AM   #153
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I think it is such a wank the idea that a strong woman can give up her own children because, LURVE. There are times when I feel like Lucas is just kind of stunted and this is one of them.
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Old January 23 2014, 12:23 AM   #154
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It's very obvious to me that George Lucas, quite simply, does not understand women (he may even be gay). This is completely laid bare in the prequels. In A NEW HOPE, it was masked by the fact that the boys were fighting eachother over her ... anything more is a waste of time, in this movie. When we get to RETURN of the JEDI, Han and Leia have this relationship that aspires to reach the maturity of couples in highschool. By the time we get to ATTACK of the CLONES, there's noplace to hide ... the romance is the the centerpiece of this movie. George doesn't understand how to express Star Crossed Lovers. I mean ... the damning proof is there. It's onscreen.

Now, in REVENGE of the SITH, a woman is giving birth and this just couldn't be more alien to George, trying to express this. He knows he wants to kill her off, but he doesn't want to give her a subplot of her own. She has to die in this storyline he's committed to, where there's no mechanism for it, anymore. She gave up politics, so she's off the radar. She's out of the loop, so no hitmen are going to kill her. George needs her to really, just ... drop dead ... so he does so. And he really believes it's crucial for the drama. It's very hard to excuse and justify, the scene that's inserted into this ... uh ... this movie.
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Old January 23 2014, 12:55 AM   #155
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It's very obvious to me that George Lucas, quite simply, does not understand women (he may even be gay).
Dude. There are more things wrong with that sentence than with the entire pod race sequence from TPM. And that's saying something.
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Old January 23 2014, 12:56 AM   #156
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Re: Question to those most disappointed with the SW prequels



Damn.
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Old January 23 2014, 01:02 AM   #157
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One big difference is I liked the pod race.
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Old January 23 2014, 01:04 AM   #158
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I did too.
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Old January 23 2014, 01:06 AM   #159
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I did too - for the most part. It was a CGI tour de force that was actually thrilling and delivered more or less what it was designed to: display Anakin's incredible piloting skills and show off the then-new and recent CGI imaging technology by creating a slew of cool and interesting aliens who were also in the race.

TPM has some major flaws but the Boonta Eve Podrace isn't one of them.

And 2takes, you realize George is a married, heterosexual guy, right? As per his writing problems, well you don't have to be any specific orientation to suck at penning love and female-focused scenes in films. Plenty of screenwriters couldn't create a textured, believable male-female relationship if their Hollywood careers depended on it.
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Old January 23 2014, 01:08 AM   #160
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From a looks perspective it was good casting, both Anakin and Padme are very easily seen as Luke and Leia's parents. Luke in ESB and ROTJ particularly looks like Anakin.
Hamill and Fisher didn't think so. I remember reading an article from around when AOTC was coming out, where one of them was quoted as having discussed the matter with the other, saying something along the lines of, "Can you imagine the two of us coming from a couple of models like that?"
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Old January 23 2014, 01:13 AM   #161
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And 2takes, you realize George is a married, heterosexual guy, right?
Lots of gay men are married to women, for any one - or combination of - reasons. Lucas would, by no means, be the first - if that, in fact, is what's going on ...
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Old January 23 2014, 01:19 AM   #162
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It's very obvious to me that George Lucas, quite simply, does not understand women (he may even be gay).
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And 2takes, you realize George is a married, heterosexual guy, right?
Lots of gay men are married to women, for any one - or combination of - reasons. Lucas would, by no means, be the first - if that, in fact, is what's going on ...
Your evidence that Lucas might be secretly gay is that he doesn't understand women? Do you mean to say this lack of understanding is defining trait of gay men? Because that's a fundamental implication of your statement.

Better to simply say: Based on how he's written the prequels, Lucas doesn't seem to understand women. There's still an inherent generalization to it, but it's a more valid point of view - one that I completely understand. The way you've phrased it, though ... it's a bit inflammatory and devalues what had been, to that point, a relatively thoughtful, interesting discussion and debate.
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Old January 23 2014, 01:27 AM   #163
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Well, I will join battle about the podrace sequence another day. But for 2takes, just to break it down for you:

It's very obvious to me that George Lucas, quite simply, does not understand women (he may even be gay).
1. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with understanding women.
2. Writing ability has nothing to do with understanding life (any more than that someone who can't draw is necessarily blind).
3. Insofar as sexual orientation might affect the potential of understanding women, gay men are generally better-placed to understand women than straight men are in many ways (on account of sharing certain shortfalls of privilege with many women).
4. Speculating about Lucas' sexuality is a ridiculous distraction from what would otherwise have been a decent post.
5. The frame you are probably looking for is that Lucas writes relationships poorly.
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Old January 23 2014, 01:28 AM   #164
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As I have no direct evidence - to say nothing of proof - that George Lucas is a homosexual, I retract the statement, unreservedly.
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Old January 23 2014, 01:29 AM   #165
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I'm not homophobic, but...
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