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Old January 22 2014, 10:55 PM   #136
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It's a tad wonky unless you think she has a a psychic bond and brainwashing and Force reconstruction of her neural pathways over time all of which are shattered by the builder of these things trying to kill her. Killing the very structures of "love" he has built.

As to how it worked on the screen without all these interpretations, it didn't IMO. I think the birth scene is terrible, embarrassingly bad. It looks like some clunky 70's sci fi, awkward and disconnected from real people. I went from adoring Padme in TPM to hardly being able to watch her death because it was so cheesy. Even the camera angles are weirdly amateur looking, like a bunch of school kids who had no understanding of birth and death were doing the "okay, and now she dies and ROBOTS!" scene. I remember thinking, I should be crying now but this is fucking awful.
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Old January 22 2014, 11:12 PM   #137
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And, of course, the birth of Luke and Leia is not only a clunky scene in and of itself, but it's overshadowed by the construction and birth of Darth Vader in the black armor - the moment that fans had waited through three films to witness after another wait of almost twenty years. When you juxtapose the two "birth" scenes it's clear which one had the stronger dramatic pull and weight and the one that is more fondly remembered.
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Old January 22 2014, 11:23 PM   #138
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I didn't care much for Padmé's death either. I can understand that her heart was too broken to live on but why did she not want to live for her kids? The funeral scene made my heart sink when they closed in on that charm he gave her.
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Old January 22 2014, 11:30 PM   #139
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The Naboo state funeral was so much more effective and emotional than her passing on the delivery table. And I did really like the little, subtle touch of having a fake pregnancy "bump" on her body so that her family and others believed she died before giving birth, helping cover up the existence of the twins.
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Old January 22 2014, 11:31 PM   #140
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It makes no sense that this woman who had devoted her short life to civic duty, her people, the good of the republic would just up and die from a broken heart when she had babies to care for. You have to make it make sense, but really these explanations we've been discussing could have been included in the film with one line about her psychic connection to Anakin. Broken heart, pfft.
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Old January 22 2014, 11:35 PM   #141
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The Naboo state funeral was so much more effective and emotional than her passing on the delivery table. And I did really like the little, subtle touch of having a fake pregnancy "bump" on her body so that her family and others believed she died before giving birth, helping cover up the existence of the twins.
Lucas does death better than birth. Yes that was a good scene in itself.

I guess really a lot falls on the character of Anakin being so uncharismatic and the romance dialog being so atrocious. It's not that I can't see Padme with a bad boy, it's just this bad boy is lacking any appeal at all to the viewer. So even setting aside that it is totally out of character for a woman of Padme's strength and life of selfless devotion to duty to die of a broken heart it is just plain hard to choke down that it was for Anakin in the first place!

Just imagine she was in love with Obi Wan and Obi Wan died.. she would be all "Obi Wan would want me to raise our children and I will honor his memory and raise them to know how wonderful and strong their father was.." You can't even imagine her giving up if the father was Obi Wan and he was dead.
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Old January 22 2014, 11:40 PM   #142
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Whatever we might think of Hayden's Anakin, it's pretty clear where Leia got her smartass temper. To me, Luke seems more like his mother and Leia comes off in the OT as being more like Anakin in terms of how she snaps at people, her headstrong stubbornness and general "will somebody get this big walking carpet out of my way" attitude about things going on around her.
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Old January 22 2014, 11:45 PM   #143
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Whatever we might think of Hayden's Anakin, it's pretty clear where Leia got her smartass temper. To me, Luke seems more like his mother and Leia comes off in the OT as being more like Anakin in terms of how she snaps at people, her headstrong stubbornness and general "will somebody get this big walking carpet out of my way"attitude about things going on around her.
I love that line.

However, I never thought of it that way, the twins personalities...like each of their parents.
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Old January 22 2014, 11:46 PM   #144
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From a looks perspective it was good casting, both Anakin and Padme are very easily seen as Luke and Leia's parents. Luke in ESB and ROTJ particularly looks like Anakin.

I've been fantasizing about a SW reboot someday, with Anakin rewritten to be more like Spike from Buffy or something.. SOMETHING.
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Old January 22 2014, 11:49 PM   #145
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Although we don't have to ask from which parent Luke got his whiny side, do we?
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Old January 22 2014, 11:52 PM   #146
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Noooo... we don't. Sigh.
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Old January 22 2014, 11:53 PM   #147
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and impatience, inability to let go .....
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Old January 22 2014, 11:55 PM   #148
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It makes no sense that this woman who had devoted her short life to civic duty, her people, the good of the republic would just up and die from a broken heart when she had babies to care for. You have to make it make sense, but really these explanations we've been discussing could have been included in the film with one line about her psychic connection to Anakin. Broken heart, pfft.
This was the reason why I had trouble reconciling that scene. There isn't quite enough in the film to justify the "force-connection" theory - but now that I've thought about it, the line, "For reasons we can't explain, we are losing her," certainly points to an irrational, super-natural reason. The fact that Padme hangs on long enough to actually name her children and tell Obi-Wan that there is still good left in Anakin, indicates that, despite the medical droids saying, "she has lost the will to live," she is, in fact, fighting - and that it's something else that is causing her unexplained death. The force-connection idea certainly makes the best sense (dramatically speaking).

Problem is, as has been stated, it's just a bit too convoluted to really work without any further "evidence" in the film.
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Old January 22 2014, 11:57 PM   #149
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Re: Question to those most disappointed with the SW prequels

Does anybody remember what the official film novelization of ROTS had to say on the matter of Padmé's death? I sure don't and I haven't touched a copy of the Episode III novelization in years.
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Old January 23 2014, 12:03 AM   #150
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I think the only one I read was TPM, but good question.
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