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Old January 22 2014, 04:51 AM   #31
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Re: Homemade documentary on TNG sets in 1988

So what happened to the other thread?
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Old January 22 2014, 07:22 AM   #32
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Re: Homemade documentary on TNG sets in 1988

I suspect it was deleted for the OP making unflattering claims about another party.
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Old January 22 2014, 04:54 PM   #33
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Re: Homemade documentary on TNG sets in 1988

Unflattering? I only told the truth, and MY side of the story! I was the damaged party here, and if someone goes WAY out of their way to tell lies about you, you would want to respond, wouldn't you. I have two pieces of FACT, and one person (Neil Norman from Crescendo Records) still living who can verify that what I say is true!
I'm really not too motivated to post any more on this site if someone can just come along and yank your thread. I should have been notified to amend my post, or my statement to CONFORM with the feelings on this board. Censorship is cruel, no matter where it comes from.

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Old January 22 2014, 05:25 PM   #34
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Re: Homemade documentary on TNG sets in 1988

T'Bonz, the site Admin, pulled the thread citing legal reasons. Her judgment is based on past experience with Paramount. No need for melodramatic over-reaction.
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Old January 22 2014, 05:25 PM   #35
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Re: Homemade documentary on TNG sets in 1988

I'd be interested to know what happened to the Sound FX post as well, since T'Bonz herself edited your original wall of text into something readable. If it was also she who deleted it, I would have thought she'd provide you with a reason. You can contact her directly, contact the moderators of the Original Series board, or discuss the matter in Moderator Actions if indeed no one contacted you about the thread. In any case, this is the wrong forum for that discussion, but it seems that no one responding to that thread really knew of you being wronged or that there was a story, so perhaps the defensiveness and accusatory tone came off wrong.

As per the video being discussed in this thread, it is an interesting artifact, and I'm glad to have seen it, but cannot condone how it was created or that no harm was done. I won't speculate on what access to the set was permissible, and I won't claim that the fanboy in me would not have wanted to harmlessly document the world of the 24th century much as was attempted here, but the fact is that this was a closed and locked set, and from the sound of it, not the only time you or someone 'broke in' after hours.

This, along with toppling the sickbay bed, and leading to a stricter policy to keep fans away from the production even on a professional level, far outweigh the value of this video, no matter how it was released on the internet. In this case it seems the makers of the video are hardly the injured party.
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Old January 22 2014, 07:25 PM   #36
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Re: Homemade documentary on TNG sets in 1988

Well, first off, I had a pass to be on the studio lot. Some have said that I needed a pass to actually be in the soundstage, but that was a situation that I was unaware of at the time, and still am. We never "Broke" in the sets, the firedoor was totally open, and we just walked in. While there, on that day and others, there were MANY visitors to the sets, some given a tour from Richard Arnold, Gene's assistant. We personally saw him pulling out some of the isolineir chips and giving them to these fans, to keep. I may have gotten blamed for that one as well!


It's strange how that video, and myself keep getting blamed for things that have NOTHING to do with anything.


FACT: In 1986, a young man named "Kevin" started breaking into the lot, over the back fence from the graveyard, in the early hours of the morning. That video was made in 1988. On one visit, Kevin, his friend Scott from San diego, and another friend Dan, from Santa Monica, went into the costume storage area, and went into several closets, which could be locked from the inside!
They waited until 2:00AM, and started stealing ALL of the older TREK costumes, placing them into trash bags, tied together with rope, and slung them over their shoulders. They took out 6 bags filled with costumes, and cut a hole in the side fence that was big enough to drive a semi thru!


THIS was why the studio beefed up their security! This was not only written up in the LA Times, after Kevin and his buddies were caught, but Shatner's daugter also wrote about Kevin in that book based on Star Trek 5.
Kevin went to jail, as his buddies turned state's evidence against him, and they recovered about 80% of the costumes, but not ALL! Kevin had sold some of them to fans!


Enter Det. John from the LAPD, who temped Kevin, thru a person that Kevin had known, who had a "Knightrider" car. He told Kevin that he wanted to trade the car for all the costumes, and so they met at a parking lot in North Hollywood, where Det. John and many officers were waiting!


After the arrest, Det. John was feeling SO proud of himself, that he wanted to go after the other costumes, so he started attending all the conventions. Los Angeles, San Diego, and even Las Vegas!


But he went too far, and stared "confiscating" fan created costumes, theatening the fans with jail time if they didn't co-operate. He would gather a whole box full of obvious fan created costumes, and took them to the studio, to be shown to the costume people, who had a big laugh about some of the creations.

My friend from school had married a girl "Kimberly" who was one of the main people on STTNG in the costume department, so she told me this first person story.


Det. John was told to stand down from his obsessional mission to recover the other uniforms, and he later retired and became a private security agent for.....you guessed it, PARAMOUNT!!!


And, lastly, I cannot understand what anything that happened between Me, Ralph, and Neil in any way effects the OLD studio, which at that time, was a "Gulf and Western" company. With the sound effects, or with the video, there is nothing that involves "Viacom/CBS" in any way, shape or matter. And this knee jerk reaction is really way over the top. Too bad, also, since I have a TON of more inside stories to tell.


But someone, somewhere doesn't want the sound effects story to get out, nor my side of the video story, which is why I have been banned from so many sites (No trek forums...yet) after posting my comments! BANNED!!! It is amazing that this story is so much of a threat to people out there, it boggles the mind!


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Old January 22 2014, 07:52 PM   #37
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Re: Homemade documentary on TNG sets in 1988

Fascinating
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Old January 22 2014, 08:27 PM   #38
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Re: Homemade documentary on TNG sets in 1988

In a word!


Oh, and by the way, people, that video on Youtube is a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy, perhaps 5 or 6 times removed from the master videotape, VHS, old school, crappy quality to begin with, and it just got worse. My digital copy is much, MUCH cleaner, and I have run it thru several processes to clean up the video signal, and juiced up the audio 200%, and cleaned it up as well.

Just a FYI

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Old January 22 2014, 08:58 PM   #39
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Why you seem to think that what you did by trespassing onto the set is something to be proud of is a mystery.
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Old January 22 2014, 09:14 PM   #40
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Re: Homemade documentary on TNG sets in 1988

Did you read my previous posts? I WORKED on the show, I was on the sets MANY times, I was there when Majel and Marina were totally NAKED in that one episode! I had a studio pass that day! GEEEZZZ, Why do I even post?

BTW, people, that Youtube video is about to be yanked, so if you haven't downloaded the crappy copy of it......

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Old January 22 2014, 09:52 PM   #41
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treknician1701, I suspect the trouble is you're signing up on all these boards specifically to counter these stories but in the process you are making allegations (true or not I can't say) about other people. fact is, you can say "I'm innocent for X, Y, Z reasons" without pointing fingers.
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Old January 22 2014, 10:16 PM   #42
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Re: Homemade documentary on TNG sets in 1988

Well, everyone has an opinion on this subject. I cannot do other than tell the story the way that I know it. Bottom line is, if someone was online harassing you as they had done with me, what would you do?

And, I'm curious..."All these boards"????

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Old January 22 2014, 10:22 PM   #43
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Those were the days..lol
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Old January 22 2014, 10:27 PM   #44
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I made it five minutes in. It was really, really, really boring.
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Old January 22 2014, 10:30 PM   #45
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treknician1701 wrote: View Post
...I was there when Majel and Marina were totally NAKED in that one episode!
Pics or it didn't happen!

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