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Old January 19 2014, 11:18 PM   #31
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Re: The Future of Star Trek - Animation?

^^

I've seen those pictures before. A lot of the visuals look awesome, but I don't want to see a JJ-Trek show. I personally would much rather it be placed in the pre-Abrams universe. Due to quarrels Abrams has had with CBS TV, I'd wager a JJ-Trek cartoon is unlikely anyway.

However, a thought I did have to make JJ-Trek fans happy, why not animated the IDW comics? Marvel's been doing this motion-comic thing for a while, why not adapt the JJ-Trek comics to that? If I was a fan of JJ-Trek, I'd want to see that.
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Old January 19 2014, 11:49 PM   #32
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This is the Star Trek animated series I want to see.
Markowski's working is amazingly badass.
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Old January 20 2014, 11:08 AM   #33
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^^ What's there looks OK enough, but there are no treatments of the characters, besides the (itty-bitty) thumbnails, and obviously no treatment of motion, so I can't say whether I'd like Markowski's take. There's just insufficient data. Too bad we can't see a demo reel!

By the way, in case it hasn't been mentioned already, what's killed Cartoon Network shows like Young Justice and Green Lantern (in both cases, very unfortunately, I'll add) has apparently been that, for whatever reason, the tie-in toys didn't sell well enough. Point being, it seems that completely unsubsidized quality animation is too expensive these days for the outlets that'll air it! The Clone Wars was obviously an exception, but that really shouldn't come as a surprise (even if the precise manner in which it was paid for is a mystery).
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Old January 20 2014, 01:50 PM   #34
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One would probably not at any rate want a Trek animated show to be entirely based on selling toys to kids. Fortunately there's a reasonably robust animated market today that goes beyond that. (As to what exactly pays for that -- wouldn't that be advertising?)
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Old January 20 2014, 02:14 PM   #35
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The tie-in angle was based on articles that have gone under discussion in the various threads on YJ and GL. IMO, the discussions we've had regarding CN would seem to indicate that CN botched their marketing, though honestly I've no idea what their finances look like or what bills they have to pay.

As for a robust animation market, what are you thinking of in particular? If it's on premium cable, then subscriptions would be generating income in addition to advertising, yes? (Though, to be honest, I have no real idea how that breaks down.)

Yes, I wouldn't want a Trek show to depend on selling toys, either. That would almost certainly generate episodes that I would not enjoy watching. GL and YJ were very good, though (but they were apparently financial failures, and I wouldn't expect a new Trek series to be ordered under similar conditions).
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Old January 20 2014, 02:21 PM   #36
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As for a robust animation market, what are you thinking of in particular? If it's on premium cable, then subscriptions would be generating income in addition to advertising, yes? (Though, to be honest, I have no real idea how that breaks down.)
Yeah, me neither. I have in mind shows like Avatar: The Last Airbender and its spin-off (kid-friendly, but as I know from trying to find toys based on them for my niece, they definitely weren't running on toy sales), or in a different register, shows like Archer or The Venture Bros..
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Old January 20 2014, 06:05 PM   #37
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Yes, I wouldn't want a Trek show to depend on selling toys, either. That would almost certainly generate episodes that I would not enjoy watching. GL and YJ were very good, though (but they were apparently financial failures, and I wouldn't expect a new Trek series to be ordered under similar conditions).
I'm sad to admit it, but you have a good point there. However, cartoon shows being tied to how well toys sell is not a new issue. In fact, it goes back to the same era the original Star Trek animated show was made in. An animated show based on or depended on toy sales can still attract a larger audience than just the 6-10 crowd. Take a look at something like Batman The Animated Series from the early 1990's. I gurantee toy sales from that show were being look at. Yet, that didn't end up affecting the quality of the show. And it's not alone. My point being is that it can happen, but the stars have to be aligned just right and the powers that be from the studios have to give some leeway to the creative forces.
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Old January 21 2014, 01:27 AM   #38
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Re: The Future of Star Trek - Animation?

I always thought an animated TNG series in the animation style (characterwise) of the 1990's Batman animated series would be fun - focus on adventures in the time period between "All Good Things..." and Generations. I'd still like to see something like this and am surprised CBS has sat on the idea.

After the success of The Clone Wars, I'd love to see an anthology animated series for the Trek franchise. Cover a wide variety of time periods and eras, get (many of) the original actors back and appeal to young and non-so-young alike.
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Old January 21 2014, 01:46 AM   #39
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Yes, I wouldn't want a Trek show to depend on selling toys, either. That would almost certainly generate episodes that I would not enjoy watching. GL and YJ were very good, though (but they were apparently financial failures, and I wouldn't expect a new Trek series to be ordered under similar conditions).
I'm sad to admit it, but you have a good point there. However, cartoon shows being tied to how well toys sell is not a new issue. In fact, it goes back to the same era the original Star Trek animated show was made in. An animated show based on or depended on toy sales can still attract a larger audience than just the 6-10 crowd. Take a look at something like Batman The Animated Series from the early 1990's. I gurantee toy sales from that show were being look at. Yet, that didn't end up affecting the quality of the show. And it's not alone. My point being is that it can happen, but the stars have to be aligned just right and the powers that be from the studios have to give some leeway to the creative forces.
Well, I could easily have overstated things somewhat. You're quite right that shows can be well-written and still be financially supported by tie-in products.

I was reacting, though possibly overreacting, to the cancellation of Young Justice and Green Lantern. Both were good, well-written shows. However, YJ in particular suffered production delays and consequently, I presume, cost overruns. That wouldn't be allowed to happen again on a production, so I was assuming, rightly or wrongly, that that would imply that quality would be compromised in some way; production issues on YJ are something that can be blamed for its failure, even though the tie-in marketing end of the enterprise probably wasn't well thought-out either.
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Old January 21 2014, 11:31 AM   #40
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Yes, I wouldn't want a Trek show to depend on selling toys, either. That would almost certainly generate episodes that I would not enjoy watching.
The only cartoons that do that are those based on card games and interactive toys (Pokémon, Beyblade, Tenkai Knights, etc.), and even then they're not that different from shows which just introduce new characters and story arcs along the course of their run.

A new Star Trek animated series could be (if not likely be) more along the lines of the original as far as its writing is concerned, but with a toyline and other product lines attached to maximize its merchandising potential. In that sense, it'd be totally no different from the live-action shows as they all had toylines.
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Old January 21 2014, 11:44 AM   #41
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Yes, I wouldn't want a Trek show to depend on selling toys, either. That would almost certainly generate episodes that I would not enjoy watching.
The only cartoons that do that are those based on card games and interactive toys (Pokémon, Beyblade, Tenkai Knights, etc.), and even then they're not that different from shows which just introduce new characters and story arcs along the course of their run.
So, did you just ignore what I said about Young Justice and Green Lantern? I'm not going to go dredging up links, including those to all the articles that got discussed in those threads, but here's one link anyway.
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Old January 21 2014, 11:42 PM   #42
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^^ What's there looks OK enough, but there are no treatments of the characters, besides the (itty-bitty) thumbnails, and obviously no treatment of motion, so I can't say whether I'd like Markowski's take. There's just insufficient data. Too bad we can't see a demo reel!
His site is here:

personalwerk.blogspot.co.uk/

And shows some more images. My CG version of Kirk that I'd posted earlier was based on his artwork. I think it would be a good style for a Star Trek series. In 2D or 3D.
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Old January 22 2014, 12:05 AM   #43
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^^ What's there looks OK enough, but there are no treatments of the characters, besides the (itty-bitty) thumbnails, and obviously no treatment of motion, so I can't say whether I'd like Markowski's take. There's just insufficient data. Too bad we can't see a demo reel!
His site is here:

personalwerk.blogspot.co.uk/

And shows some more images. My CG version of Kirk that I'd posted earlier was based on his artwork. I think it would be a good style for a Star Trek series. In 2D or 3D.
Thanks!!! I'd seen the other stuff, but I hadn't seen all this before.

Although I have some quibbles, I'm not viscerally rejecting his Kirk and Spock, so that's a good thing. Uhura looks promising.

Scrolling down, the one of the "Red Shirt about to get owned" was excellent.

When I got to the Horta treatment, I said, "YEAH!!!"

So, OK, an enthusiastic thumbs up, let's see a demo reel!
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Old January 22 2014, 03:17 PM   #44
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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: View Post
This is the Star Trek animated series I want to see.
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I'd watch that. If the storytelling could match the visuals (and the visuals could hold up in motion) it would be great.
That's okay, but I think that it's time for the styles that were shown for TNG and DS9, or for something from anime-the style seen in the show Cowboy Bebop would be amazing, or the style of the Supernatural anime:



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Old January 22 2014, 05:03 PM   #45
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Yes, I wouldn't want a Trek show to depend on selling toys, either. That would almost certainly generate episodes that I would not enjoy watching.
The only cartoons that do that are those based on card games and interactive toys (Pokémon, Beyblade, Tenkai Knights, etc.), and even then they're not that different from shows which just introduce new characters and story arcs along the course of their run.
So, did you just ignore what I said about Young Justice and Green Lantern?
So, did you just ignore what I said in my entire post? You omitted half of it in the quote.
I'm not going to go dredging up links, including those to all the articles that got discussed in those threads, but here's one link anyway.
(Shrugs) Your effort to waste since I'm not going to click on the link anyway. I stand by what I said.
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