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Old January 21 2014, 04:34 AM   #91
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Re: Question to those most disappointed with the SW prequels

I've wondered this for a long time.. did Anakin use the Force to emotionally manipulate Padme into loving him and overlooking his flaws?

"You don't need to see his identification" could just as easily be "You don't need to see a reason for this behavior". He could have started out with just a bit of handwaving to smooth things out so she wasn't shitty about something one day and just gotten more and more into it until she was addicted to him, bound to him, and blind to him. Total emotional abuse.
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Old January 21 2014, 04:47 AM   #92
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^If so, that's something I would have liked to actually see. It would certainly make a lot more sense.
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Old January 21 2014, 04:54 AM   #93
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She's no dummy, he would have to hide it from her. I'm sure he didn't need to actually hand wave all the time. Probably had it down to just rubbing his fingers together "nervously".
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Old January 21 2014, 05:15 AM   #94
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Re: Question to those most disappointed with the SW prequels

With Anakin's huge midichlorian count he probably didn't even need to wave or rub any hand or fingers to implant suggestions in somebody's mind. I don't know if he ever did such with Padmé because I'm in the camp of "she was just too in love with his dysfunctional ass to pay closer attention to some of his worst faults," but it's certainly possible.

And maybe that's part of why romantic relationships were discouraged and forbidden in the Order. It would be too easy to use one's Jedi mind trick powers to control the relationship and that would be seen as profoundly dishonest and ultimately destructive to both parties.
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Old January 21 2014, 05:20 AM   #95
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Wasn't there a scene in AOTC where Padme asks about Jedi mind tricks and Anakin tells her they only work on the weak minded?

I'm searching for it now but I don't remember when it was said.
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Old January 21 2014, 05:20 AM   #96
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Good point there cooleddie with them being forbidden.

I can't imagine Anakin, a manipulator who really wants his own way in everything not tweaking Padme's perceptions to get it. It is too much temptation for a man who thinks he will one day be able to stop people from dying to not stop the woman he loves from seeing him badly.

And then I think it would snowball.
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Old January 21 2014, 05:22 AM   #97
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Wasn't there a scene in AOTC where Padme asks about Jedi mind tricks and Anakin tells her they only work on the weak minded?

I'm searching for it now but I don't remember when it was said.
HE probably told her that to keep her from ever suspecting he was using them on her. And since he is so powerful he may have been able to influence people with stronger minds anyway. Also she's in love, she's open and receptive to him unlike someone he is in a potentially antagonistic relationship with.
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Old January 21 2014, 05:25 AM   #98
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Re: Question to those most disappointed with the SW prequels

The scene he's talking about might be from AOTC where Anakin and Padmé are rollicking on the plains and in the tall grass and they sit down to joke and have the conversation about whether or not democracy or one strong person would be the better government for the Republic.

Anakin (after proposing that one man should have the say): "Well. If it works."

Then he gives that sinister smile right before they laugh and play it off.
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Old January 21 2014, 03:26 PM   #99
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I don't hate the prequels but I don't love them either. I think I was disappointed by two things in them:

1. Losing Darth Maul at the end of the first film without any real insight into the character.

2. We didn't get a complete film with Vader being a bad ass. One movie of whiny-ass Anakin was more than enough. The second was just overkill.

Episode I should've been us learning who Anakin was, Episode II should've been his rise and fall as a Jedi, Episode III should've been focused on Vader kicking ass and taking names.
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Old January 21 2014, 04:22 PM   #100
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teacake's suggestion that Annie's been using his Jedi Magic on Padme is an interesting one. But I doubt that happenned very much, in the beginning. Certainly not in Attack of the Clones, where she's playing "hard to get." As Queen (I know I keep saying "of the galaxy" but I'm just exaggerating), she can be many things: Idealistic, Corrupt ... whathaveyou ... but not weakminded. Not as an effective leader whose citizenry demanded she stay on (though she refused). And besides ...

It's so much better - for you - when the one you want is "there" with you because it's their choice. If they're there out of guilt, or manipulation, the very quality of the relationship suffers and what's left is mainly appearances. No. Annie wasn't playing with her mind, at least throughout most of their relationship. She's there to put a practical slant on everything to make what he wants possible, like demanding their relationship be kept secret. She doesn't blindly follow his lead, but she definitely sees herself as having married "up" ... someone who's almost godlike. She's in awe.

If he did want to control her, he didn't do a good job of it. She even let herself get pregnant, something he definitely wasn't thinking about and didn't want, but he puts a good face on it, for her sake. And finally, I suspect that he did not control her emotions as much as he controlled what information she was privy to. He didn't tell her everything. Indeed, he came and went as he wanted and she simply accepted it as part of his job - like being married to a doctor. Besides, all this stuff about Annie being so powerful - I never saw it. He seemed about on par with everyone else, really.
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Old January 21 2014, 04:38 PM   #101
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Episode III should've been focused on Vader kicking ass and taking names.
Which is pretty much what happened, once he became Darth Vader is took out the other Jedi at the temple and the Seperatist leaders.
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Old January 21 2014, 04:41 PM   #102
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Besides, all this stuff about Annie being so powerful - I never saw it. He seemed about on par with everyone else, really.
He could podrace which according to TPM no other human could do, he took out the Jedi at the temple, killed Dooku and took out the Seperatist leaders, not to bad for a 20 year old.
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Old January 21 2014, 05:10 PM   #103
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Re: Question to those most disappointed with the SW prequels

He was one of the most powerful Jedi and Sith in recorded history. He just happened to be an emotionally wracked and disjointed, unconfident and power-hungry young man trapped in an expert pilot and warrior's body which made things so much more complicated and dangerous.

Anakin was the Chosen One. He also happened to be a complete and total mess.
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Old January 21 2014, 05:18 PM   #104
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She's no dummy, he would have to hide it from her. I'm sure he didn't need to actually hand wave all the time. Probably had it down to just rubbing his fingers together "nervously".
If he actually Force-manipulated her, it would explain sooooo much, for instance how she went from being independent and no-nonsense to sentimental and completely oblivious to Anakin's emo-ness and downward spiral.

She started off as being good at observing things. She ended up as a doofus...well, to be fair, shortly before he Force-choked her, she sort of snapped out of it, but Episode 1 Padme would never simply give up on life because her marriage fell apart, especially with 2 babies needing her. I might be less ragey about this if I imagine Anakin manipulating her in my head canon. Good call.
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Old January 21 2014, 05:19 PM   #105
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Wasn't there a scene in AOTC where Padme asks about Jedi mind tricks and Anakin tells her they only work on the weak minded?

I'm searching for it now but I don't remember when it was said.
This is how the scene should have played out:

"Are you going to use one of your Jedi mind tricks on me?"

"They only work on the weak-minded. So, yes."

cooleddie74 wrote:
With Anakin's huge midichlorian count he probably didn't even need to wave or rub any hand or fingers to implant suggestions in somebody's mind.
Luke certainly didn't need to stick his hand out to levitate Threepio.

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and took out the Seperatist leaders
^ This one is probably the least noteworthy as a reflection of his skill; the Separatists were total scrubs and were very poorly defended. There wasn't even a droideka! About the coolest thing Anakin does in that scene is his behind-the-back deflection of a blaster bolt from a battle droid ( which was reproduced as his deflection animation in the video game ).

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Episode 1 Padme would never simply give up on life because her marriage fell apart
There's no reason to believe things were really that simple; after all, a droid can have no understanding of the Force, so if confronted by a Force-related phenomenon it would have to find a different way to express the situation.
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