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Old January 18 2014, 01:36 PM   #16
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Re: "Daedelus"-Now...what's the problem?

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When I first saw the title I remember thinking, Yay we're going to see a proper ship of the era! Was disappointed with yet another transporters-gone-wrong episode.

It did remind me of "Jetrel". Also felt out of place in the season of fanwank (whereas a Daedalus-Class starship would've fit in nicely though ).
LOL, I too thought the episode name meant we were getting some Daedalus-class continuity porn.

As for the episode we got, I thought it was okay. Nothing special, nothing terrible.
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Old January 20 2014, 11:35 PM   #17
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It's surprisingly now one of my favourite episodes in S4. First time I saw it, was really disappointed after the great arc stories and general all round improvement. Really did feel like a throwback to earlier shows (esp. TOS). But now I love its very different rhythm and performance pacing (esp from guest actors) as season heads to finale. I also think it's one of the most 'human' of the all the series' shows.
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Old February 8 2014, 02:39 AM   #18
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Watched "Daedelus" earlier tonight, its not one of my favourite episodes, just dont see the need for it in Season 4, and along with "Observer Effect" it seems like a pace changing device to bridge between the Vulcan arc and the Andorrian/Tellerite/Romulan arc (which is great).

Also can anyone tell me how Jonathan Archer could possibly have met Zephram Cochrane ?
I`m no mathematician, but Archer would have to have been very young and Cochrane extremely old for to have met, surely.
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Old February 8 2014, 03:06 AM   #19
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Also can anyone tell me how Jonathan Archer could possibly have met Zephram Cochrane ?
I`m no mathematician, but Archer would have to have been very young and Cochrane extremely old for to have met, surely.
"Metamorphosis" says Cochrane was 87 when he disappeared 150 years before the episode, which is now assumed to be set in 2267. That would mean he was born in 2030 and was only 33 when he made the warp breakthrough in 2063. Archer was born in 2112, so Cochrane would've been 80 at the time.

The book Federation: The First 150 Years finesses these numbers a bit. It says he was still on Earth in 2121 at the age of 90, and had a meet-cute with 8-year-old Jonathan Archer. His disappearance is at least two years later, or only 144 years before "Metamorphosis."

The book also has Cochrane mention that he was "old at thirty" due to WWIII radiation exposure and alcohol abuse, in order to explain the casting of the 56-year-old James Cromwell as a Cochrane who was supposed to be in his early 30s.
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Old February 10 2014, 05:02 PM   #20
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Also can anyone tell me how Jonathan Archer could possibly have met Zephram Cochrane ?
I`m no mathematician, but Archer would have to have been very young and Cochrane extremely old for to have met, surely.
"Metamorphosis" says Cochrane was 87 when he disappeared 150 years before the episode, which is now assumed to be set in 2267. That would mean he was born in 2030 and was only 33 when he made the warp breakthrough in 2063. Archer was born in 2112, so Cochrane would've been 80 at the time.

The book Federation: The First 150 Years finesses these numbers a bit. It says he was still on Earth in 2121 at the age of 90, and had a meet-cute with 8-year-old Jonathan Archer. His disappearance is at least two years later, or only 144 years before "Metamorphosis."

The book also has Cochrane mention that he was "old at thirty" due to WWIII radiation exposure and alcohol abuse, in order to explain the casting of the 56-year-old James Cromwell as a Cochrane who was supposed to be in his early 30s.
So he would have to be very, very old when he met a very young Archer ?
One of the reasons I was puzzled was possibly due to the fact that James Cromwell was cast as Cochrane and he looked old, even older than 56.

Thanks for the input.
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Old February 16 2014, 03:43 PM   #21
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Re: "Daedelus"-Now...what's the problem?

I think the whole "Son isn't really dead, but is a murdering transporter energy mutation" was the part that really didn't work.

The story could have been stronger if Erickson had had a mental break that convinced him that his son was still alive. Archer doesn't want to see that his friend is destroyed and Tucker is so full of hero worship that they let him go on this crusade of sorts.

It could've been much more of a character piece.
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