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Old January 19 2014, 10:21 PM   #1
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Starfleet Starship Insignia was all supposed to be the same?

According to an article on the Phase II website, all Starfleet patches were supposed to be the same on TOS. I guess when The Motion Picture came along they made it official?

http://www.startreknewvoyages.com/?p=2329
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Old January 19 2014, 10:24 PM   #2
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Re: Starfleet Starship Insignia was all supposed to be the same?

In his Rise of the Federation novels, Christopher comes up with an interesting explanation for the differing insignia. Linky
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Old January 19 2014, 10:25 PM   #3
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Re: Starfleet Starship Insignia was all supposed to be the same?

Yes--BTW this was discussed at length in an earlier thread.
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Old January 19 2014, 10:26 PM   #4
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Re: Starfleet Starship Insignia was all supposed to be the same?

Yeah, Harvey and I uncovered that little tidbit when Harvey sent me some memos related to Bill Theiss. It was a second season "glitch" which did get corrected afterwards.
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Old January 19 2014, 11:58 PM   #5
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Re: Starfleet Starship Insignia was all supposed to be the same?

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Yes--BTW this was discussed at length in an earlier thread.
More than one.

Captain Nebula, you may wish to read:

Crazy Shaped Assignment Patches

Exeter Patch

Constellation Patch

Starfleet Command Insignia

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Old January 20 2014, 06:10 AM   #6
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Re: Starfleet Starship Insignia was all supposed to be the same?

The Redundant Department of Redundancy apologizes for having to apologize for being redundant.

Thanks for the responses!
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Old January 20 2014, 07:07 AM   #7
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The Redundant Department of Redundancy apologizes for having to apologize for being redundant.

Thanks for the responses!
This is one of those topics I never tire of discussing. Perhaps this thread can go 'where no thread has gone before'.....
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Old January 20 2014, 07:24 AM   #8
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Re: Starfleet Starship Insignia was all supposed to be the same?

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The Redundant Department of Redundancy apologizes for having to apologize for being redundant.

Thanks for the responses!
This is one of those topics I never tire of discussing. Perhaps this thread can go 'where no thread has gone before'.....
This topic piques my inner geek.

Oh, one thing I think failed to get mention in the earlier threads, though it's a somewhat off-topic, being both non-Starfleet and presumably non-Federation, is that the space hippies in "The Way to Eden" had their own badge, seen here. It's like a white egg with an infinity symbol (∞) in the yolk. To me, it seems to be a shout-out to the Enterprise assignment patches, as if their assignment in life is to be a space hippie.
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Old January 20 2014, 09:52 AM   #9
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Re: Starfleet Starship Insignia was all supposed to be the same?

Or more likely a 23rd century peace sign, dig?
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Old January 20 2014, 10:13 AM   #10
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Or more likely a 23rd century peace sign, dig?
Sure! My winky was intended to indicate my facetiousness, although I really found it extremely amusing that they each wore it on or near their left breast.

(Incidentally, the peace symbol/peace sign had its origins as the CND badge [link, link].)
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Old January 20 2014, 12:05 PM   #11
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The Redundant Department of Redundancy apologizes for having to apologize for being redundant.
Unless their apology is overruled by the Department of Redundancy Department.
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Old January 20 2014, 06:00 PM   #12
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Re: Starfleet Starship Insignia was all supposed to be the same?

Given that Bob Justman objected to the use of the non-arrowhead on Morgan Woodward's uniform, I still wonder why this was not an issue for William Windom's.
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Old January 20 2014, 06:46 PM   #13
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Given that Bob Justman objected to the use of the non-arrowhead on Morgan Woodward's uniform, I still wonder why this was not an issue for William Windom's.
Didn't the memo say that it was a mistake that slipped under his radar that time?
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Old January 20 2014, 07:45 PM   #14
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Re: Starfleet Starship Insignia was all supposed to be the same?

It mentions "Charlie X," but not "The Doomsday Machine."

TO: Bill Theiss

FROM: Bob Justman

SUBJECT: STARSHIP EMBLEMS

DATE: December 18, 1967

Whilst sitting in Dailies today, it was noticed that a Starship Captain (from another Starship) was wearing an emblem unfamiliar to yours truly. I have checked the occurences out with Mr. Roddenberry, who has reassured me that all Starship personnel wear the Starship emblem that we have established for our Enterprise Crew Members to wear.

Doubtless this situation has arisen due to the fact that a different Starship emblem was used last season on “CHARLIE X”. However, the personnel of that other ship in that show were the equivalent of merchant marine or freighter personnel — and therefore not entitled to bear this proud insignia on their individual and collective breasts.

Please do not do anything to correct this understandable mistake in the present episode. However, should we have Starfleet personnel in any other episodes, please make certain that they were the proper emblem.

Under penalty of death!

Signed this 18th day of December, in the year of our Lord, 1967, by

ROBERT H. JUSTMAN

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CC: Gene Roddenberry

John M. Lucas

D.C. Fontana

Gregg Peters

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P.S. A carven “I’m sorry!” will be sufficient.

R.H.J.
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Old January 21 2014, 08:48 AM   #15
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Re: Starfleet Starship Insignia was all supposed to be the same?

No idea why he didn't balk at the DDM insignia. Maybe he didn't notice it then, but perhaps Gene or someone else pointed it out in the dailies for Omega Glory (since that was Gene's baby, it wouldn't surprise me if it got closer scrutiny by The Bird).
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