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Old January 18 2014, 10:30 PM   #1
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Theory regarding the super-fast trip from Qo'noS to Earth

It's been noted how the Enterprise's return journey from Qo'noS to Earth takes just an incredible few minutes, something which should be impossible, right? Yet I think I may have a possible explanation for this. Just before the Vengeance catches up to them, Carol says her father has been working on a highly advanced new type of warp drive. Is it possible the Enterprise got caught in the Vengeance's warp field, dragging it along at a highly accelerated pace?
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Old January 18 2014, 10:50 PM   #2
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Re: Theory regarding the super-fast trip from Qo'noS to Earth

Maybe. The more likely explanation is that the ship's travel time is inversely proportional to the running time of the film, and not based in any kind of reality, just like in STV, where the Enterprise-A's travel time to the center of the galaxy is just about 30 minutes.
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Old January 18 2014, 10:56 PM   #3
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Re: Theory regarding the super-fast trip from Qo'noS to Earth

If the Enterprise NX-01 could make it to Kronos in 4 days at warp 5 in "Broken Bow", then a century later the NCC-1701 at it's very top speed (which is warp 8 or more) could make it in a day in ID.
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Old January 18 2014, 10:56 PM   #4
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Re: Theory regarding the super-fast trip from Qo'noS to Earth

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It's been noted how the Enterprise's return journey from Qo'noS to Earth takes just an incredible few minutes, something which should be impossible, right? Yet I think I may have a possible explanation for this. Just before the Vengeance catches up to them, Carol says her father has been working on a highly advanced new type of warp drive. Is it possible the Enterprise got caught in the Vengeance's warp field, dragging it along at a highly accelerated pace?
Sure! Why not? Works for me.
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Old January 18 2014, 11:00 PM   #5
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If the Enterprise NX-01 could make it to Kronos in 4 days at warp 5 in "Broken Bow", then a century later the NCC-1701 at it's very top speed (which is warp 8 or more) could make it in a day in ID.
But in STID, the Enterprise reached Earth in just a few minutes. I don't think ships can do those kinds of speeds even in TNG.

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Maybe. The more likely explanation is that the ship's travel time is inversely proportional to the running time of the film, and not based in any kind of reality, just like in STV, where the Enterprise-A's travel time to the center of the galaxy is just about 30 minutes.
I've always thought they used a wormhole or trans-warp conduit to reach the galaxy center in ST V.

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Old January 19 2014, 12:06 AM   #6
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Re: Theory regarding the super-fast trip from Qo'noS to Earth

Is there any precedent for one vessel's warp drive effecting that of another?
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Old January 19 2014, 02:08 AM   #7
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Is there any precedent for one vessel's warp drive effecting that of another?
The Enterprise episode featuring the Columbia comes to mind.
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Old January 19 2014, 03:29 AM   #8
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Re: Theory regarding the super-fast trip from Qo'noS to Earth

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If the Enterprise NX-01 could make it to Kronos in 4 days at warp 5 in "Broken Bow", then a century later the NCC-1701 at it's very top speed (which is warp 8 or more) could make it in a day in ID.
But in STID, the Enterprise reached Earth in just a few minutes. I don't think ships can do those kinds of speeds even in TNG.
Voyager did it in "Hope and Fear" and also later in "Timeless." TOS Enterprise did it in "That Which Survives", and in "By Any Other Name" had its warp drive modified to travel to the Andromeda galaxy in about 300 years.

There's also the Xindi Superweapon, which made the trip from the Delphic Expanse to Earth in less than an hour.

I've always thought they used a wormhole or trans-warp conduit to reach the galaxy center in ST V.
They probably retrofitted Enterprise-A with the transwarp drive from USS Excelsior.

Which, in this timeline, they simply invented a couple of years earlier (that or they always had it in TOS, just couldn't make it work on a ship as small as Enterprise until the 2280s).
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Old January 19 2014, 11:44 PM   #9
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I've always thought they used a wormhole or trans-warp conduit to reach the galaxy center in ST V.
But that was never mentioned in the film. But let's play devil's advocate and say you're right. That would mean one of two things:

1. Either Starfleet had the technology to create wormholes or transwarp conduits, or

2. It was a natural occurrence or accident that caused the Enterprise-A to get there.

Neither of these options really make sense. If Starfleet had the technology, then what happened to it by the TNG era? And if it was just an accident, how did the Ent-A get back?

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They probably retrofitted Enterprise-A with the transwarp drive from USS Excelsior.
So the Excelsior could have reached the center of the galaxy in 30 minutes as well? Why couldn't the Enterprise-D do the same thing, 75 years later?
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Old January 20 2014, 12:21 AM   #10
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Re: Theory regarding the super-fast trip from Qo'noS to Earth

I just figured they were time cuts.
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Old January 20 2014, 12:47 AM   #11
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Re: Theory regarding the super-fast trip from Qo'noS to Earth

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Is it possible the Enterprise got caught in the Vengeance's warp field, dragging it along at a highly accelerated pace?
I suggested this around the time the Blu-ray came out. Works well enough for me...

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Either Starfleet had the technology to create wormholes or transwarp conduits
That background effects video for STID did have a screen that read "Transwarp System"...
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Old January 20 2014, 01:55 AM   #12
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I've always thought they used a wormhole or trans-warp conduit to reach the galaxy center in ST V.
But that was never mentioned in the film. But let's play devil's advocate and say you're right. That would mean one of two things:

1. Either Starfleet had the technology to create wormholes or transwarp conduits, or

2. It was a natural occurrence or accident that caused the Enterprise-A to get there.

Neither of these options really make sense. If Starfleet had the technology, then what happened to it by the TNG era? And if it was just an accident, how did the Ent-A get back?

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They probably retrofitted Enterprise-A with the transwarp drive from USS Excelsior.
So the Excelsior could have reached the center of the galaxy in 30 minutes as well? Why couldn't the Enterprise-D do the same thing, 75 years later?
The Enterprise-A and the Klingon bird-of-prey got back the same way they got there, through the hypothetical wormhole/ trans-warp conduit. It could have destabilized later, so it was no longer viable in the TNG era.
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Old January 20 2014, 06:38 AM   #13
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Re: Theory regarding the super-fast trip from Qo'noS to Earth

I don't recall anything suggesting the travel time was actually only a few minutes. They just skipped over the travel time. Just like all of the other Star Trek movies.
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Old January 20 2014, 06:49 PM   #14
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Re: Theory regarding the super-fast trip from Qo'noS to Earth

As ever, the Enterprise travels at whatever pace is necessary for the plot.

Warp drive has never been consistently portrayed on screen.

Warp drive will never be consistently portrayed on screen.

Some fans will recognize this fact. Some never will.
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Old January 20 2014, 08:14 PM   #15
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Re: Theory regarding the super-fast trip from Qo'noS to Earth

Christopher please see this thread and explain - like you did in this one.
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