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Old January 18 2014, 06:12 PM   #16
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Re: Who wants to see a TAS Remasered project?

TAS is fine as it is. The truth is, it's mostly awful (even though I still love it!) and no amount of extra frames of animation or 3D CGI will fix that. Put the effort into a new animated series instead.
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Old January 18 2014, 06:25 PM   #17
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I'd even like to see an episode re-voiced by the actors involved with the current films. *ducks*
Suffice to say I'd go ballistic over this.
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Old January 18 2014, 06:27 PM   #18
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I'd even like to see an episode re-voiced by the actors involved with the current films. *ducks*
Suffice to say I'd go ballistic over this.
Why? What point would it actually serve? Doing something along those lines doesn't somehow overwrite the original (which I love). Just something fun to experiment with.
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Old January 18 2014, 07:16 PM   #19
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I'd even like to see an episode re-voiced by the actors involved with the current films. *ducks*
Suffice to say I'd go ballistic over this.
Why? What point would it actually serve? Doing something along those lines doesn't somehow overwrite the original (which I love). Just something fun to experiment with.
If you can't see how offensive that would be then I can't help you. It's one thing to remake a work as in making a new version, but doing something revisionist to the actual original work is insulting and disrespectful to the original creators.

I can appreciate TNG-R because the end result is something that looks like it could have looked under the best of circumstances. TOS-R doesn't look like anything TOS could have done even under the best of circumstances.

So revisioning the original TAS would piss me off.
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Old January 18 2014, 07:25 PM   #20
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With new animation and new voice work, it would be its own thing. Honestly, I can't think of a higher compliment to someone's work than wanting to remake it for new audiences to consume. I never understood the desire to treat a work as some religious relic that can never be changed/updated. New generations are more likely to explore an older work through newer re workings than locking the originals away.
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Old January 18 2014, 07:42 PM   #21
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I think they're really limited by the audio..the voices just do not have the extra energy needed to fit a newly rendered animated project.

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Old January 18 2014, 07:44 PM   #22
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Suffice to say I'd go ballistic over this.
Why? What point would it actually serve? Doing something along those lines doesn't somehow overwrite the original (which I love). Just something fun to experiment with.
If you can't see how offensive that would be then I can't help you. It's one thing to remake a work as in making a new version, but doing something revisionist to the actual original work is insulting and disrespectful to the original creators.

I can appreciate TNG-R because the end result is something that looks like it could have looked under the best of circumstances. TOS-R doesn't look like anything TOS could have done even under the best of circumstances.

So revisioning the original TAS would piss me off.
Well it looks a lot better than TOS originally did. It's not as good as they can do it now, but that wasn't really the goal, was it?

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Old January 18 2014, 08:10 PM   #23
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Why? What point would it actually serve? Doing something along those lines doesn't somehow overwrite the original (which I love). Just something fun to experiment with.
If you can't see how offensive that would be then I can't help you. It's one thing to remake a work as in making a new version, but doing something revisionist to the actual original work is insulting and disrespectful to the original creators.

I can appreciate TNG-R because the end result is something that looks like it could have looked under the best of circumstances. TOS-R doesn't look like anything TOS could have done even under the best of circumstances.

So revisioning the original TAS would piss me off.
Well it looks a lot better than TOS originally did. It's not as good as they can do it now, but that wasn't really the goal, was it?

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Whether or not the effects of TOS-R were "better" or not is in the eye of the beholder. But I'm not upset that they made the attempt. Sometimes it worked and looked good, other times not so much.
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Old January 18 2014, 08:15 PM   #24
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I like the animated series more than I expected to and would enjoy a remastering or even mild revisionism.

It would be nice to see it with better music and to have some of the animation errors fixed at the least.

Ideally, they'd add a bit of colour to the characters as they were always far too pale.
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Old January 18 2014, 08:50 PM   #25
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If you can't see how offensive that would be then I can't help you. It's one thing to remake a work as in making a new version, but doing something revisionist to the actual original work is insulting and disrespectful to the original creators.

I can appreciate TNG-R because the end result is something that looks like it could have looked under the best of circumstances. TOS-R doesn't look like anything TOS could have done even under the best of circumstances.

So revisioning the original TAS would piss me off.
Well it looks a lot better than TOS originally did. It's not as good as they can do it now, but that wasn't really the goal, was it?

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Whether or not the effects of TOS-R were "better" or not is in the eye of the beholder. But I'm not upset that they made the attempt. Sometimes it worked and looked good, other times not so much.

Actually it's not, they are clearly better than what they did in the 1960s. As for whether it was "state of the art" that's another matter entirely. You may prefer the poorer effects of the 60s, but that doesn't make them better.

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Old January 18 2014, 09:26 PM   #26
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Whether the new TOS-R effects are better than the original TOS effects isn't a factual matter. If the assertion was that they aren't as grainy, well, that might get some traction as an objective statement.

Anyway, the subject here is not that, but rather TAS, TAS remastering, TAS redux, TAS-SE, etc., yes?

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The only way this could REALLY work would be to obtain the "voices only" track from Filmation, use the now released original music, and THEN have your "balls to the wall" animation with it. That is the only approach that would interest me (as an animator)
What release of the original music? There's been no release of the TAS music, AFAIK.
I think he means TOS music--re-scoring the TAS episodes with TOS musical cues. (That would interesting; TOS music is almost a Trek character all by itself.)
Ah, I can see that spockboy might have meant that.

Well, I can say flat-out that I would never pay money to own such a thing. Now, I might be interested in hearing a demo reel of it. Heck, I might be interested in watching a demo clip with new animation, remixed soundtrack, etc. But pay money for any of that??? No.

Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately?), I'd seriously doubt that CBS would allow unsolicited demo clips to be posted. My belief is that using portions of the original audio tracks in such a project and posting the results online without first receiving permission would constitute a copyright violation.

As someone (edit - RAMA) has already said, the voice direction itself does not generally lend itself well to these sorts of "improvements".

Also, I respectfully submit that people who think that such special editions of TAS are feasible are seriously underestimating the level of work that would be required to produce a watchable, entertaining, and attractive result.
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Old January 18 2014, 09:55 PM   #27
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A few things.

Since some of the cast recorded their lines "on the go" at whatever studio was convenient, I doubt there was much "direction" at all. I've directed professional voice actors (from Janet Waldo to Billy West) in studio and there's an art to getting them "into the moment" so that they're ACTING and not just reading their lines. Even the pros get curiously flat if you don't work with them on this. Since the Trek cast weren't experienced voice actors anyway, it's no wonder their performances were often so meh, considering the circumstances.

We've discussed this before and there's some question as to if the voice tracks even still exist separate of being mixed with music and sound effects, so reusing any of the sound would potentially be very difficult.

re TOS-R type "improvements", "better" IS debatable, despite Rama's assertion otherwise. In a film everything must be seen in context. I could cut Star Wars VFX (with the color saturation turned off) into old Flash Gordon serials and while the effects themselves would arguably be of better quality, seen as a piece they would not fit with the surrounding period photography and stick out like a sore thumb, which is often the case in TOS-R. Is that "better"? You decide.
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Old January 19 2014, 12:28 AM   #28
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re TOS-R typoe improvements, "better" IS debatable, despite Rama's assertion otherwise. In a film everything must be seen in context. I could cut Star Wars VFX (with the color saturation turned off) into old Flash Gordon serials and while the effects themselves would arguably be of better quality, seen as a piece they would not fit with the surrounding period photography and stick out like a sore thumb, which is often the case in TOS-R. Is that "better"? You decide.
I gotta be honest here, I don't find the remastered effects "better" than most of the original effects. The CGI models were "overlit" (they always looked like they had a spotlight bouncing off of them) and had a plastic look about them. Not to mention that some models simply were low-polygon, looking at the Klingon model from season three. Some models look like they belong in a video game.

I think they could do new TOS effects that do the originals justice and fit in with the live action elements, I just don't think that happened in TOS-R.
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I think they could do new TOS effects that do the originals justice and fit in with the live action elements, I just don't think that happened in TOS-R.
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Oh, agreed, the TOS-R Klingon ship is a dog. It looks like crap in every single way.
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