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Old January 18 2014, 06:17 AM   #1
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Second Doctor's Sonic Screwdriver

Ladies and gentlemen, I proudly present to you, the Second Doctor's Sonic Screwdriver!:











AKA An Ever Ready Slim Penlight Model No. 1980

Source: http://www.therpf.com/f9/second-doct...wdriver-89127/
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Old January 18 2014, 08:17 PM   #2
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Re: Second Doctor's Sonic Screwdriver

And, as has been pointed out, it was the same prop Hartnell used on a number of occasions, most notably to open the TARDIS lock in the pilot episode, and to sabotage the Dalek detectors in the first Dalek story.
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Old January 20 2014, 06:45 AM   #3
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And, as has been pointed out, it was the same prop Hartnell used on a number of occasions, most notably to open the TARDIS lock in the pilot episode, and to sabotage the Dalek detectors in the first Dalek story.
Maybe the early Sonice Screwdrivers came with a chameleon circuit.
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Old January 20 2014, 05:11 PM   #4
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Re: Second Doctor's Sonic Screwdriver

Or at least a perception filter, so people wouldn't even pay attention to the fact that it was a sonic.

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Old January 20 2014, 05:28 PM   #5
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Or at least a perception filter, so people wouldn't even pay attention to the fact that it was a sonic.

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And accidentally use it to install some cabinets and then unintentionally blow up Belgium
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Old July 11 2014, 05:44 PM   #6
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And, as has been pointed out, it was the same prop Hartnell used on a number of occasions, most notably to open the TARDIS lock in the pilot episode, and to sabotage the Dalek detectors in the first Dalek story.
'fraid it's not the same prop as Hartnell used, for a variety of reasons. Also this was type of penlight was the 3rd 'sonic' Troughton Dr used. Two very different props in Fury and Dominators. Sorry to disappoint.
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Old July 11 2014, 05:51 PM   #7
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Are you sure. Realying omn the telesnaps, it's difficult to be sure, but as far as can be seen from this
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_NoKHO38EAJ...25282%2529.jpg
it certainly looks to be Hartnell's prop, and there's records of the list of props kept for the Doctor's pockets from the time which confirm the pentorch was still there at the time of Fury, while Michael E Briant recalls that they used a prop they already had to hand for the sonic to cut short a very cold filming day (though the evidence is ambiguous: there's also some records of a special prop being scripted for use; one explanation is that the daft script included the sonic, it was changed to a conventional screwdriver, but on location it was changed back and the studio scripts kept consistent with the material already shot).

In this shot from War Games, it's very definitely a pentorch, and looks pretty simialr to the Fury one from what we can see of it. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...crewdriver.jpg
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Old July 11 2014, 10:19 PM   #8
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvhbGGkhKe4
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Old July 11 2014, 10:29 PM   #9
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diankra wrote: View Post
Are you sure. Realying omn the telesnaps, it's difficult to be sure, but as far as can be seen from this
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_NoKHO38EAJ...25282%2529.jpg
it certainly looks to be Hartnell's prop, and there's records of the list of props kept for the Doctor's pockets from the time which confirm the pentorch was still there at the time of Fury, while Michael E Briant recalls that they used a prop they already had to hand for the sonic to cut short a very cold filming day (though the evidence is ambiguous: there's also some records of a special prop being scripted for use; one explanation is that the daft script included the sonic, it was changed to a conventional screwdriver, but on location it was changed back and the studio scripts kept consistent with the material already shot).

In this shot from War Games, it's very definitely a pentorch, and looks pretty simialr to the Fury one from what we can see of it. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...crewdriver.jpg
Certain! I have done a lot, and I mean a lot of research on the 2nd Dr's Sonics. Here is a thread I started with pictures to illustrate the 3 different Sonics Pat had.

http://www.therpf.com/f9/2-sonics-2nd-doctor-179221/


As for Hartnell having the same prop, as the War Games Sonic. Its not possible for one very obvious reason. Out of interest, where are the photos or refs of Hartnell with that pen torch. BTW The photo you linked is Troughton with a normal screwdriver. I have that picture as a Hard copy and it's very obvious.
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Old July 11 2014, 10:35 PM   #10
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Re Michael E Bryant recalling they used a prop at hand. Are you referring to Fury? If so this was a whistle on Debbies costume that was used (and can be seen in Pats hand in a still and telesnap) of the life jacket whistle because the intended prop didn't turn up. Look at pictures of the Sonic in Dominators, totally different even without the trigger attachment. It was a different torch altogether. All the info is there in the link.
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Old July 12 2014, 02:23 AM   #11
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We've got contradictory anecdotes between Michael Briant and Victor Pemberton on Fury; the former says they improvised the scene rather than having the Doctor use a conventional screwdriver so they could cut the shoot short; Pemberton says he'd written a special screwdriver into his scripts. Talked to them both about it, and they're equally convincing on it, so my best guess is that Victor wrote in a special screwdriver, it was taken out, but then put back in on location with whatever happened to be close at hand. But that is speculation.

Looking at the pic from Fury.. that's not a normal screwdriver half-hidden in the Doctor's right hand (it;s far too slim and short), and it does look a lot like a pentorch (and it's also too slim to be the whistle).
However the pics do get confusing (particularly without video context), as it can look as if there's a lot of tools there, which you then realise are the various nozzles on the lifejackets the Doctor and co are wearing. (so the fact that he's holding the whistle off Debbie's lifejacket in one photo doesn't mean it's the prop he used as the sonic, as pointed out in the conversation in your link, at least in the first page - I may have missed some QED later!)

What are the various reasons why the Hartnell pentorch can't still be around, BTW? (Though I suspect it may actually be a replacement, though that might just be down to how it's held, so how the black and silver bits show up onscreen). There are a few 'Doctor's props' inventory memos which have turned up, and they keep listing it for ages...

Will have to another look at Dominators (shudders): had always assumed that any differences were down to the bit which has been added so it can drill rock, but maybe not.


Edit: OK, decided to postpone sleep to get to the end of that thread, and some fun headaches with the screengrabs! Unless Fury turns up to solve it all, I'll accept that they may just have used the whistle then! And then there's the slim (and changeable) tube in season six!
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Old July 12 2014, 08:38 AM   #12
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The pen torch in Dominators is different as seen by thickness and the shape of the clip. I'm still trying to track down what make it was. In Fury on telesnaps you can see the shape of the whistle end on the screw ( I think that was in the thread). What are the Hartnell screen caps or episodes you mention? The torch he used in 'inside the Spaceship' ep is totally different pen torch. To be honest it looks a lot better than any used for Troughton!

‎I have an email from Victor Pemberton who said that he didn't know what prop was bought or made. He didn't think that a whistle would have been used as he was sure the prop dept would have "come up with something clever" for his scripted Sonic Screwdriver. I'm sure this was the case, a prop/torch was ready to use. But with Frazer Hines saying he remembers the prop not turning up on location & using a bit of brickabrack Debbie had on her , along with the photo and telesnap of the whistle, it appears this is was used as a last minute backup. Something that wouldn't be done today. Ah different times eh?

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Old July 13 2014, 08:19 PM   #13
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I've always had a fondness for penlights
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Old July 13 2014, 09:30 PM   #14
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Oh yes, especially if you are one of the rare few that own one of the type used as a Sonic Screwdriver.
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Old July 13 2014, 09:48 PM   #15
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Times like this I think diankra and Mycroft are the same poster just trying to stir up conversation.

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