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Old January 16 2014, 07:24 PM   #571
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Re: Star Trek III - The [Speculation Begins] (Spoilers)

I just hope that it is a truly original story that doesn't involve the use of ANY prime-universe characters outside the Enterprise crew or recycled plot lines. Otherwise, why not just make a new series that regurgitates all the TOS plots? It would probably be cheaper to produce and accomplish the same goals.
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Old January 16 2014, 10:06 PM   #572
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There is no chance that they would use Khan again in the next film. That would be ridiculous. They just showed him asleep at the end to suggest he could still be a part of Trek in the future but I doubt we'd see him again in the Abrams franchise.

The next film will be an original story but it may involve the Klingons aswell as Abrams has been indicating that Klingons are posing a threat, I think they will feature in the next film. The Enterprise has taken quite a beating in the last two films in the next film would like to see it dishing out some beatings of its own.

How about this for a scene in the next film:

The Enterprise responds to a distress call from a planet. The Klingons are on the surface and attacking the inhabitants. Kirk wants to lead the away team but Spock politely reminds him that its too dangerous for him and his place is on the bridge. For once Kirk agrees to stay and lets Spock take the landing team (showing Kirk has become more mature and listening to rules now).

After a few minutes, Spock contacts the ship to tell them they have come under heavy fire from the Klingons and they are pinned down and that two officers are already dead. Kirk tells the bridge crew that he cant stand by any longer and proceeds to beam down. Sulu points out that he should stay behind but Kirk tells him that he cant do nothing while his people are in danger. (This shows his care for the crew). Kirk takes another crewmember down with him. Ensign Evans (Yes this is Charlie Evans) in this universe he's a Starfleet officer and a new addition to the Enterprise, he hasn't got any mental powers yet). He would be played by a young handsome actor and would flirt with Carol Marcus to Kirk's jealousy. Kirk and Charlie would charge their phasers as they prepare to beam down to the surface. Sulu is commanding the bridge while Chekov reports that he's picking up strange readings just as a massive ship decloaks in front of them. Chekov reports that it's a Klingon battle cruiser. "My god!" says Sulu and tells Chekov its time to find out what the new enhanced weapons can really do. It would then cut to a massive space battle between the Enterprise and a powerful Klingon battle cruiser whilst on the surface Kirk, Spock and others take on the Klingons in phaser fire and hand to hand combat.

It would be good to introduce some new alien species and another clever idea would be that a side affect of Kirk being revived through Khans blood would have enhanced his physical strength proving him able to physically compete with Klingons. Not sure if this would be permanent though. Also Kirk is still trying to romance Carol while competing with Charlie but then Kirk also meets a woman belonging to the new species they encounter.

Charlie may or may not become evil in this film but he may encounter aliens in this film which give him new powers which will corrupt him and make him evil for the next film.

What do people think of these ideas??
As long as we get to see a decent space battle with the Enterprise and some D-7 battlecruisers, I'll be a happy man. I'm not keen on the idea of Kirk being enhanced with Khans blood though
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Old January 17 2014, 11:51 AM   #573
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In the new Abrams film it seems like things happen for a reason and things have a knock on effect for the next film like the destruction of Vulcan making starfleet more militarized and discovering khan quicker. What if Khan's blood transfusion to Kirk did have an unexpected side effect. Im not saying he'd be a superman to the level of Khan but it may lead to slightly increased strength which would then give a plausible reason for why Kirk is able to physically go up against a Klingon. In the original series and movies he was able to fight Klingons way too easily when it was specified that Klingons were x10 the strength of humans.

Im all for seeing a massive space battle in the next film. Pretty sure its going to happen, all these films are blockbusters and going to contain a lot of action scenes. But so far Abrams has just shown the Enterprise having its ass kicked, I would like to see this newly upgraded Enterprise dishing out some hurting bombs of its own!
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Old January 18 2014, 04:17 AM   #574
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In the original series and movies he was able to fight Klingons way too easily when it was specified that Klingons were x10 the strength of humans.
Klingons are not nor have they ever been 10x stronger than humans. Even Vulcans are only 3x stronger than humans. Klingons probably only have a very slight advantage over humans.
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Old January 18 2014, 06:59 AM   #575
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I think the general misunderstanding about Klingon strength came about in TNG, whenever a baddie alien came on board, Worf was sent in, only to have his ass promptly handed to him to the abject horror and surprise of his crewmates who clearly expected him to easily handle the situation. He was nothing more than a visual guage to the audience to show how super-strong some enemy is, and also implying that Worf should be able to easily dish it out to any conventional non-adversary without breaking a sweat.

That, plus the seemingly natural "berzerker" aspect of Klingons in hand-to-hand combat as seen in both TNG and DS9 may give the perception of superior strength.
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Old January 18 2014, 07:34 AM   #576
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That, plus the seemingly natural "berzerker" aspect of Klingons in hand-to-hand combat as seen in both TNG and DS9 may give the perception of superior strength.
Except that they didn't slaughter the crew of DS9 in "Way of the Warrior", which is what the outcome should have been, especially in Ops, an obvious primary target of the boarding parties.
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Old January 18 2014, 02:10 PM   #577
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dan_bevan wrote:
There is no chance that they would use Khan again in the next film.
Oh really?
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To answer that question would be to determine whether or not he actually survives this movie, but if he survives this movie, I think that we would be incredibly stupid to not use [Benedict Cumberbatch] again.
Click.

Into Darkness was the most financially successful overall and second most profitable movie (after TMP) in Trek. Bringing back Khan for more makes financial sense.

BUT, I suspect Cumby's rumoured role as the big villain in Star Wars VII, VIII and IX will prevent his return to Trek.
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Old January 18 2014, 06:28 PM   #578
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I'd love to see Benedict return as Khan in ST3, but as a secondary villain with the potential Klingon storyline. He was one of the best things in STID and one of my favorite Trek baddies of all time already.
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Old January 18 2014, 08:01 PM   #579
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No, I don't want Khan to be a villain again. Make him a hero. Or, well, at anti-hero. He killed Admiral Marcus for betraying him and his people are safe; he has no reason to hate the Federation or Kirk in this timeline. I loved Kirk and Khan reluctantly working together in ID. I want more of that.
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Old January 18 2014, 08:32 PM   #580
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^I'm fine with that idea too, I'd still like him in there as an unstable element to the story lie you suggested, but he's Khan, he's a badass and he's great to watch, I'm all for it.
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Old January 19 2014, 04:00 AM   #581
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No, I don't want Khan to be a villain again. Make him a hero. Or, well, at anti-hero.
Are we forgetting what Khan was like when he was first alive? He was absolute dictator over 1/4 of Earth. His kind killed millions. They openly advocated the genocide of anyone who wasn't an Augment like them. And we're talking about making Khan the fucking HERO?

Compared to Khan, Admiral Marcus was Mother Theresa. Marcus was no hero, I admit, but neither was Khan. As a dictator and a murderer, Khan was worse than Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot put together.
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Old January 19 2014, 04:23 AM   #582
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No, I don't want Khan to be a villain again. Make him a hero. Or, well, at anti-hero.
Are we forgetting what Khan was like when he was first alive? He was absolute dictator over 1/4 of Earth. His kind killed millions. They openly advocated the genocide of anyone who wasn't an Augment like them. And we're talking about making Khan the fucking HERO?
Why not?
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Old January 19 2014, 04:28 AM   #583
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Because he isn't a hero, that's why not. I don't care what happened to Khan after Marcus woke him up, that doesn't change who Khan really is - a tyrant. It doesn't erase Khan's actions during the Eugenics Wars.

To make Khan a hero would be to excuse what he did back then. Why would anyone want to do that? Don't the Eugenics Wars matter? Why doesn't Khan deserve to be punished for what happened then? Why should we just forget about them?
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Old January 19 2014, 04:45 AM   #584
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To make Khan a hero would be to excuse what he did back then.
How?
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Old January 19 2014, 04:48 AM   #585
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Let's not straw-man what Kelthaz said. Kelthaz allowed for the possibility of making Khan an antihero.
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