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Old January 17 2014, 08:12 AM   #1
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Two-Parters where the 2nd part is better?

Most fans agree that Star Trek, as a franchise, had a tendency of creating two-parters with fantastic first parts and less impressive second parts. Can anyone name some Star Trek two-parters where the second part is better than the first?

Obviously it's a subjective question, but it would be interesting if we could form a general consensus on any two-parters with superior latter halves.
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Old January 17 2014, 09:04 AM   #2
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Re: Two-Parters where the 2nd part is better?

Redemption II is better than the first half.
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Old January 17 2014, 09:30 AM   #3
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Re: Two-Parters where the 2nd part is better?

Agreed on Redemption II.

TNG

All Good Things was better than Encounter at Farpoint.
Chain of Command part 2 was better than part 1
The gambit part 2 was better
Best of Both Worlds were equal
Unification 1 & 2 were equal


DS9

The Maquis part 2 was better than 1
The Die is Cast was better than Homefront
Paradise Lost was better than Homefront
Sacrifice of Angels was better than Favor the Bold
Purgatory's shadows and By Inferno's light were equal


VOY

Year of Hell 2 was better than 1


ENT

Terra Prime was better than Demons
Divergence was better than Affliction
In a Mirror darkly 1 & 2 were equal
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Old January 17 2014, 01:18 PM   #4
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Re: Two-Parters where the 2nd part is better?

ENT
'These Are The Voyages' was better than 'Broken Bow.'

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BoBW pt 2 was better than BoBW pt 1.
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Old January 17 2014, 01:35 PM   #5
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Re: Two-Parters where the 2nd part is better?

Mr_Homn wrote: View Post
Most fans agree that Star Trek, as a franchise, had a tendency of creating two-parters with fantastic first parts and less impressive second parts.
That's really only the season cliffhanger ones. Any multi-part episodes that are completely within one season are generally pretty damn good in my opinion.
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Old January 17 2014, 01:35 PM   #6
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Re: Two-Parters where the 2nd part is better?

I consider "Sacrifice of Angels" being superior to "Favor the Bold."
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Old January 17 2014, 01:39 PM   #7
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Re: Two-Parters where the 2nd part is better?

So how are we supposed to deal with DS9's six- and ten-part arcs or Enterprise's three-parters and Xindi arc? Or are you really only interested in the two-episode arcs?

I consider "Sacrifice of Angels" being superior to "Favor the Bold."
And this is where I see the problem: yes, SOA is better than its immediate predecessor, but might not be nearly as strong as Rocks and Shoals or Call to Arms (which some would argue is the proper beginning of the six-part arc).
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Old January 17 2014, 02:52 PM   #8
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I consider "Sacrifice of Angels" being superior to "Favor the Bold."
And this is where I see the problem: yes, SOA is better than its immediate predecessor, but might not be nearly as strong as Rocks and Shoals or Call to Arms (which some would argue is the proper beginning of the six-part arc).
Favor and Sacrifice are the only two episodes from that run that are a "To Be Continued" combo.
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Old January 17 2014, 04:27 PM   #9
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Re: Two-Parters where the 2nd part is better?

I just realized that two-parters don't tend to be nice to Picard: BoBW, Chain of Command, Gambit, with the prior two taxing Picard physically and mentally (and much more so than any two-parter that doesn't focus on Picard!). If you want to break up the two-hour long episodes, I'd add All Good Things... in there, too.
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Old January 17 2014, 04:36 PM   #10
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Re: Two-Parters where the 2nd part is better?

Even though they've since been broken down into two-parters for syndication, I don't think it's fair to compare episodes that were originally filmed and aired as a self-contained two-hour story (i.e., "Encounter at Farpoint", "Way of the Warrior", etc.) with ones that were deliberately structured around a cliffhanger, even if that cliffhanger was resolved the following week.

For my money, "Gambit, Part II" and "Year of Hell, Part II" were better than their first parts. Those are the only ones that come to mind at the moment.
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Old January 17 2014, 04:48 PM   #11
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Re: Two-Parters where the 2nd part is better?

How about Part 2 of Scorpion?
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Old January 17 2014, 05:15 PM   #12
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Re: Two-Parters where the 2nd part is better?

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How about Part 2 of Scorpion?
In my own opinion, I thought Part 1 was stronger. To be fair though, not a lot could top that opening teaser.
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Old January 17 2014, 06:09 PM   #13
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Redemption II is better than the first half.
I disagree. Worf's arc is actually resolved (which is the main point of the episode) in the first part.
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Old January 17 2014, 06:58 PM   #14
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Redemption II is better than the first half.
I disagree. Worf's arc is actually resolved (which is the main point of the episode) in the first part.
II had many more interesting scenes. The Tachyon net, numerous good Data scenes and the interesting tactical battle with Worf and Kurn using a solar flare.
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Old January 17 2014, 07:02 PM   #15
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Re: Two-Parters where the 2nd part is better?

I think for the most part the reason for the first part of a 2 part story being considered better has more to do with psychological than actual quality. Those stories tend to end on a cliff hanger to carry it over to part 2. In effect baiting the audience to want more and come back for part 2.
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