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Old January 16 2014, 11:16 PM   #31
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Re: Why are Trekkies so Hateful of Star Trek?

It is true nostalgia plays a part, but I somehow doubt the people who had NuTrek as their first Trek will become as obsessed with it as people who started with TOS or TNG. They like the films but 20 years later they probably won't be going to conventions dressing up as characters from them.

Just like the people who had FFXIII as their first Final Fantasy won't become rabid anime-loving Japanophiles the way the people who started with 4, 6 or 7 did.
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Old January 16 2014, 11:25 PM   #32
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It still passes through that lens of nostalgia. The cold light of day's got nothing on warm, fuzzy feelings of yesteryear.
I dunno. The vaguer form of warm, fuzzy nostalgia hasn't worked against NuTrek so far as I can see, far from it. NuTrek is designed very effectively and precisely to exploit it, and has done its job.

What's likelier to work against it is people actually being able to see and compare the real article of yesteryear, and not just fuzzy memories of it, with the new property. The warm, fuzzy feelings of yesteryear haven't done much to preserve my affections for TNG Trek; by contrast I was once wont to misremember TOS as being far cheesier and pulpier than it actually was. The ability to re-view it at will has blunted that tendency a lot for me and taught me respect for the old series I didn't previously have. Without that, NuTrek would probably have seemed a lot cleverer to me than it does.
Certainly it's not fool proof, but that nostalgia does tend to create a strong bias in some people. I figure the people who see the comparisons and still go with the nostalgia are the ones who don't want to give in to the idea that so much time has passed.
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Old January 16 2014, 11:58 PM   #33
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Re: Why are Trekkies so Hateful of Star Trek?

I hate only two things in Trek, and only one of them do I make a point of hating on every time it comes up (because I don't want to offend people who like the other thing). I adore hating on my pet hate, I adore pulpifying it under my stomping hatey hate hate words of disgust and venom and ill will. Piece of vile crap that it is.

I hate on that thing because it's fun. But if it was dearly loved I would not be doing so, certainly never doing so in the forum it belongs in because that's just being jerky to actual people, not the thing itself. However since I am not alone I am free to hate upon it will all my hatey hate hateness
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Old January 17 2014, 12:12 AM   #34
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Re: Why are Trekkies so Hateful of Star Trek?

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I hate on that thing because it's fun.
I'm sure it's dearly loved by someone, somewhere, darling teacake... and would you be a monster? A terrible, terrible monster like the awful Willow Rosenberg? Ponder it with care...
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Old January 17 2014, 12:13 AM   #35
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Re: Why are Trekkies so Hateful of Star Trek?

I'm not sure if it is dearly loved by anyone.. but if it is, they are wrong.
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Old January 17 2014, 12:17 AM   #36
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I'm not sure if it is dearly loved by anyone.. but if it is, they are wrong.
Actually, I rather liked "Threshold."
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Old January 17 2014, 12:19 AM   #37
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Re: Why are Trekkies so Hateful of Star Trek?

Oh I freaking love Threshold, I will defend that forevah. I've started whole threads about its wonderful campy squickiness.
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Old January 17 2014, 12:29 AM   #38
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Re: Why are Trekkies so Hateful of Star Trek?

Drat! I should've known!

I can figure this out... an episode? A character? A uniform?
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Old January 17 2014, 12:30 AM   #39
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An episode.
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Old January 17 2014, 12:33 AM   #40
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"Fair Haven"? "A Night in Sickbay"? "Endgame"? "These Are The Voyages"?
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Old January 17 2014, 12:34 AM   #41
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Re: Why are Trekkies so Hateful of Star Trek?

Bingo, it is TATV that should be SHAT ON FROM ORBIT.

I love all the other ones, or love parts of them enough to love them enough to not hate them.
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Old January 17 2014, 12:35 AM   #42
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Bingo, it is TATV that should be SHAT ON FROM ORBIT.
Shatner would have probably improved it, yes!
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Old January 17 2014, 12:35 AM   #43
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Bingo, it is TATV that should be SHAT ON FROM ORBIT.
Well, I'll have you know that I dearly, dearly llllll...

I lllll.... I really llll... lllll...

...


Okay, you're right.
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Old January 17 2014, 12:36 AM   #44
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Yeah even I couldn't fake that one!
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Old January 17 2014, 12:44 AM   #45
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Oh I freaking love Threshold, I will defend that forevah. I've started whole threads about its wonderful campy squickiness.
I like Threshold. Paris pulling his own tongue out is a geninuely WTF moment.

I suppose my own problem with it might be if the side effects can be cured that easily, and you can be home in seconds, why aren't you home already?
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