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Old January 12 2014, 06:32 PM   #76
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^That sounds epic! Something truly worthy of a 50th Anniversary story.
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Old January 12 2014, 06:51 PM   #77
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Let's see the Borg come for the Federation but through Klingon space. Epic Klingon/Borg battles in space and on land, planets being assimilated (think of the Vendetta prologue), and Kirk and co. trying to save their former enemies. End with Kirk freeing the entire Borg Collective and making allies of the Klingon Empire.
Way too much fanwank.
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Old January 12 2014, 07:06 PM   #78
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Ooh, and the finale could be the creation of a virus which wipes them out completely thus not only representing a saving of Earth but the entire Galaxy!
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Old January 13 2014, 04:59 AM   #79
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I think that the third film will probably feature a war between the Federation and the Klingons as a result of Khan and Adm. Marcus's actions. However, I'd love for the TOS crew to encounter the Borg and I'd love to see how cool the Borg could look with today's technology/effects.
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Old January 13 2014, 07:32 AM   #80
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I have only watched it once, but didn't the last film conclude with war against the Klingons being prevented? Sure, its a bit embarrassing for the Klingons to have their home world "invaded" so easily etc, but even they would have to admit Earth paid a much higher price to rein in Marcus and co.

If the Klingons were going to attack, wouldn't they have done so by the end of the last film? Isn't a quick response more in keeping with their nature? OK, I suppose things could just be simmering for a while, but I don't see war with the Klingons as the inevitable direction the last film was heading in, more the reverse. Of course it may be a temptation the writers can't resist.
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Old January 13 2014, 07:37 AM   #81
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We need a 12-step program for the Borgaholics. Obviously, they can't do it on their own. Or just nuke them from orbit - it's the only way to be sure.
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Old January 13 2014, 08:42 AM   #82
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We need a 12-step program for the Borgaholics. Obviously, they can't do it on their own. Or just nuke them from orbit - it's the only way to be sure.
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Old January 13 2014, 11:32 AM   #83
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The Enterprise is the 4th biggest character in Trek after Kirk, Spock and Bones IMO, and I think she got a raw deal in the last movie
The Enterprise did not get any raw deal, she (the crew) came out on top against the odds which is what we all know and love about the crew of the Enterprise.

When she recovered from the falling from the sky and elevated up through the clouds in STiD was magical, I'll take that scene than all the combined 24th century era battle scenes.
I'm sorry but the enterprise got a new arsehole tore in STID, she did'nt even get a shot off!
So what?

If the Enterprise was depicted with the ability to look good and fire back and tussle with the Vengeance, then that will kill the effectiveness of the story. All the suspense and the severity of how out matched the crew of the Enterprise were would have been hidden away in the cloud of 2 cgi ships exchanging blows.

They defeated Khan by using what he wanted against him, not by firing back or through technobabble.

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When she recovered from the falling from the sky and elevated up through the clouds in STiD was magical
I just knew some magic was in effect.

I think the spell in question was Dispel Any Other Federation Ships ( Especially Ones With Tractor Beams ). That's a complicated incantation, though.
Artistic license.

Do you honestly think the scene of the Enterprise falling to the ground would have worked dramatically with a ship wandering into orbit and activating the tractor beam?

Kirk dies for no reason whilst trying to save the ship and
Spock composes himself and opens a conversation with the other ship, "Thanks very much Captain nobody, there is a man on the loose, can you beam him into the brig?"

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When she recovered from the falling from the sky and elevated up through the clouds in STiD was magical, I'll take that scene than all the combined 24th century era battle scenes.
Dude. Really? Even the massive fleet battles from DS9?
I found that those space battles were visual filler - we get the gist of story in DS9, evil aliens want to kill all Earthlings, but spread across 30 episodes of CGI ships shooting at each other and only to have the entire conflict resolved by a swift use of a deus ex machina.

So yes, the Enterprise not firing at villains seems to irk some who expect phasers, evasive patterns, psuedo-tactics and last ditch technobabble, but creatively the scene of the Enterprise not fighting back worked for the story as the crew (esp Kirk) were to be tested to their limit and the Enterprise was not in a state where she can solve their problems.
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Old January 13 2014, 04:05 PM   #84
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Do you honestly think the scene of the Enterprise falling to the ground would have worked dramatically with a ship wandering into orbit and activating the tractor beam?
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Old January 13 2014, 08:07 PM   #85
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anh165 wrote: View Post
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The Enterprise did not get any raw deal, she (the crew) came out on top against the odds which is what we all know and love about the crew of the Enterprise.

When she recovered from the falling from the sky and elevated up through the clouds in STiD was magical, I'll take that scene than all the combined 24th century era battle scenes.
I'm sorry but the enterprise got a new arsehole tore in STID, she did'nt even get a shot off!
So what?

If the Enterprise was depicted with the ability to look good and fire back and tussle with the Vengeance, then that will kill the effectiveness of the story. All the suspense and the severity of how out matched the crew of the Enterprise were would have been hidden away in the cloud of 2 cgi ships exchanging blows.

They defeated Khan by using what he wanted against him, not by firing back or through technobabble.
A few shots before being overwhelmed wouldn't have hurt one bit
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Old January 13 2014, 08:43 PM   #86
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anh165 wrote: View Post
Smellmet wrote: View Post
anh165 wrote: View Post

The Enterprise did not get any raw deal, she (the crew) came out on top against the odds which is what we all know and love about the crew of the Enterprise.

When she recovered from the falling from the sky and elevated up through the clouds in STiD was magical, I'll take that scene than all the combined 24th century era battle scenes.
I'm sorry but the enterprise got a new arsehole tore in STID, she did'nt even get a shot off!
So what?

If the Enterprise was depicted with the ability to look good and fire back and tussle with the Vengeance, then that will kill the effectiveness of the story. All the suspense and the severity of how out matched the crew of the Enterprise were would have been hidden away in the cloud of 2 cgi ships exchanging blows.

They defeated Khan by using what he wanted against him, not by firing back or through technobabble.
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When she recovered from the falling from the sky and elevated up through the clouds in STiD was magical
I just knew some magic was in effect.

I think the spell in question was Dispel Any Other Federation Ships ( Especially Ones With Tractor Beams ). That's a complicated incantation, though.
Artistic license.

Do you honestly think the scene of the Enterprise falling to the ground would have worked dramatically with a ship wandering into orbit and activating the tractor beam?

Kirk dies for no reason whilst trying to save the ship and
Spock composes himself and opens a conversation with the other ship, "Thanks very much Captain nobody, there is a man on the loose, can you beam him into the brig?"
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When she recovered from the falling from the sky and elevated up through the clouds in STiD was magical, I'll take that scene than all the combined 24th century era battle scenes.
Dude. Really? Even the massive fleet battles from DS9?
I found that those space battles were visual filler - we get the gist of story in DS9, evil aliens want to kill all Earthlings, but spread across 30 episodes of CGI ships shooting at each other and only to have the entire conflict resolved by a swift use of a deus ex machina.

So yes, the Enterprise not firing at villains seems to irk some who expect phasers, evasive patterns, psuedo-tactics and last ditch technobabble, but creatively the scene of the Enterprise not fighting back worked for the story as the crew (esp Kirk) were to be tested to their limit and the Enterprise was not in a state where she can solve their problems.
When responding to several posts in a short space of time, remember to use the Multi-Quote ( ) button to combine your replies into a single post. Under the board rules, posting more than twice in a row in a thread can be considered spamming.

I will fix this triple post for you.
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Old January 13 2014, 08:59 PM   #87
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I have only watched it once, but didn't the last film conclude with war against the Klingons being prevented? Sure, its a bit embarrassing for the Klingons to have their home world "invaded" so easily etc, but even they would have to admit Earth paid a much higher price to rein in Marcus and co.

If the Klingons were going to attack, wouldn't they have done so by the end of the last film? Isn't a quick response more in keeping with their nature? OK, I suppose things could just be simmering for a while, but I don't see war with the Klingons as the inevitable direction the last film was heading in, more the reverse. Of course it may be a temptation the writers can't resist.
Maybe the Klingons just weren't ready for a war at the time.
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Old January 14 2014, 07:13 AM   #88
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Maybe the Klingons just weren't ready for a war at the time.
That's certainly possible. Its just that with Kirk and Co off on a five year mission and no one even mentioning how upset the Klingons are, war clouds don't appear to be exactly gathering. By and large, the last movie ended on a pretty positive note didn't it?

Which is not to say there won't be war with the Klingons or they won't be involved somehow of course.
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Old January 15 2014, 12:19 PM   #89
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I think the NuTrek 3 villain will be Starfleet itself. They will decide to become an expansionist empire, using the super transporters to beam across the quadrant to invade other worlds, whilst Khan-Blood injections will keep their army going strong and resurrecting them when they are shot down, making the Starfleet ground forces pretty much unstoppable.
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Old January 15 2014, 01:09 PM   #90
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Interesting idea, but unlikely methinks
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