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Old January 15 2014, 03:15 AM   #31
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But then if everything is reversed, then maybe a good Hitler became Fuhrer and promoted "good" Nazism. So if would have been Stalin, FDR and Churchill who were evil lol..
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Old January 15 2014, 04:11 AM   #32
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...everything is reversed... Stalin... evil lol..
Um, yeaaaah.... you might want to pick up a few more history books and leaf through them...
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Old January 15 2014, 04:30 AM   #33
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Besides, the MU isn't an exact reversal of good and evil, as noted by Rom.

Indeed, in some respects it's possible everyone is the same as they are in the Prime Universe and it's just humanity which is evil. Enterprise seemed to go with that idea, and in TOS the Mirror Halkans were the same, though the Vulcans apparently became badass mofos who scared the shit out of Sulu. In DS9 the Ferengi are polar opposites, while the Bajorans seem to be more militant and less spiritual. Aside from forming an alliance and working together, there doesn't seem to be anything different about the Klingons or Cardassians.
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Old January 15 2014, 12:51 PM   #34
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...everything is reversed... Stalin... evil lol..
Um, yeaaaah.... you might want to pick up a few more history books and leaf through them...
never mind, you didn't get the point.
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Old January 15 2014, 01:14 PM   #35
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... there doesn't seem to be anything different about the Klingons or Cardassians.
Already evil.


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Old January 15 2014, 02:43 PM   #36
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Or perhaps the MU God (whether as an actual being or the way He is written there in their scriptures) is a harsher being, and when Jesus came it was to teach different lessons than were taught in our universe.
Can you please elaborate? I find myself unable to see the teachings of Jesus ever practised in our world.

The philosophical question remains how a world with a dog-eats-dog mentality could yield the same technological evolution within the same timeframe as ours, apparently.

Where it gets really interesting is the introduction of the Defiant into the 22nd Century of the Mirror Universe.

Surely the 23rd Century technology was assimilated to create new starships from the one the Terran Empire had gotten its hands own, but isn't it a little odd that the ISS Enterprise in "Mirror, Mirror" must be a rather old design in the Mirror Universe?

A truly interesting plot premise of "In A Mirror, Darkly" remains, that inserting the Defiant into the Mirror Universe apparently didn't create a time paradox.

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Old January 15 2014, 04:32 PM   #37
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... isn't it a little odd that the ISS Enterprise in "Mirror, Mirror" must be a rather old design in the Mirror Universe?
Perhaps they're not a particularly creative people and simply kept producing the "future tech" that they understood?


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Old January 15 2014, 04:45 PM   #38
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Maybe it just took them a couple of decades to understand and reverse-engineer the future tech.

Besides, the Empire probably didn't put that much emphasis on science & research since they are constantly entangled in conflicts which binds their ressources. Much like the Klingons in our universe.

It's also the same thing with the Vulcan ship from First Contact they captured. Although they had direct access to Vulcan technology as early as 2063 (something which humans didn't have in our universe), ship technology didn't seem to be awfully more advanced in the Mirror Universe by 2155. At least the ship design was essentially the same.

So maybe the ISS Enterprise NCC-1701 was slightly more advanced than the USS Enterprise, but the basic design remained the same.
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Old January 16 2014, 05:10 PM   #39
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I fail to understand how the Vulcans failed to stop the Terran Empire's rise in the first place. Surely after the Terrans killed several Vulcans and began reverse-engineering their technology, Vulcans would have deemed humans a threat and have quickly pacified them.
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Old January 16 2014, 07:11 PM   #40
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I fail to understand how the Vulcans failed to stop the Terran Empire's rise in the first place. Surely after the Terrans killed several Vulcans and began reverse-engineering their technology, Vulcans would have deemed humans a threat and have quickly pacified them.
In the MU, perhaps S'task remained on Vulcan, while Surak led his followers to Romulus and Remus. And these Vulcans had lost their way and had become pacifists until Archer showed them S'task's teachings and then demonstrated them when he and the terrorist T'Pau killed half of the ruling Vulcan Science Directorate and she took over. Seeing the logic of strength, they became what Mirror Sulu feared later, maybe even relearned some of the old Vulcan mental-martial disciplines like the Vulcan Death Grip, which is very much real in the MU. ;-)
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Old January 18 2014, 10:39 AM   #41
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No divergence in my opinion. Since Mirror, Mirror, I assumed that it is reversed.

If there was a divergence, there would still be a lot of good in the humanity. Terran Empire is not just an empire in the mold of Roman or British state, it is evil and its members are evil and twisted
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Old January 19 2014, 11:56 PM   #42
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The mirror universe was the same up until the Farragut crew got caught in the Revolutionary War, where a changed Washington prompted the divergence.


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Old January 20 2014, 12:08 PM   #43
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So maybe the ISS Enterprise NCC-1701 was slightly more advanced than the USS Enterprise, but the basic design remained the same.
I seriously have to doubt that. The screencap of the ISS Enterprise revealed the Mirror Universe ship to be the older pilot film / Pike version.

OTOH, the Terran Empire may have been unable to "clone" the Defiant, so they had a basic lead, but 100 years later they still hadn't accomplished an exact reproduction of the ship.

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