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Old January 14 2014, 02:03 AM   #16
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Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII

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I think the tendency to concentrate on the older generation over that of newer generation of characters is probably not a good idea. They are falling into the same trap as the Expanded Universe novels.
According to the article, they're focusing on the older gen before before transitioning to the newer gen. It's not a bad strategy - but, like all things, it will depend on the manner the strategy is implemented, in how smoothly they make the transition.
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Old January 14 2014, 02:04 AM   #17
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I think keeping an open mind is a worthy approach, regardless. That goes for Abrams, the original cast, new cast, story, and characters - even if Thrawn were involved (which, again, is unlikely).
You're right. I'll rest easier, at least!

That said, I do sincerely believe that if die-hard fans got to handle things their way, despite all their efforts, it would end up being for the franchise kinda like the Executor smashing into the Death Star II.

Case in point: originally, I wanted to focus more extensively on the space battle in Return of the Jedi and less on the Ewoks and the battle on the surface. Years later, I began to appreciate that we'd already been there and done that in A New Hope. Me getting my fangasm would have come at the expense of going back to where the OT had already been. I've since come to appreciate that one of the things that Jedi has going for it is that it makes the few space battle scenes that are in there count a great deal. Plus, it got to expand the base by appealing to an audience to whom WWII reenactments in space don't really appeal.

Fans routinely want to revisit the moments when they squeed, and they have a hard time coming up with genuinely new ideas. Overloading a new film with the servicing of things past is not the way to go forward and blaze new territory, and it would cause me to cross the line into becoming concerned, is really all I meant.
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Old January 14 2014, 02:24 AM   #18
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I'm kind of torn on this if it's true. On the one hand it does make sense to focus on the familiar (the big three), when starting over as a way to introduce the new (second generation), but at the same time it is going to be ridiculous to have people as old as Hamil, Ford, and Fisher are now playing action hero in a big budget blockbuster like this. Even though I actually did enjoy Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, Harrison Ford's role was already starting to strain believability. He's even older now, and Mark Hamil and Carrie Fisher are about the same age. And I'm thinking it probably wouldn't be that easy for people their age to get into action movie shape.
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Old January 14 2014, 02:29 AM   #19
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The best this movie can probably do is to just destroy the franchise without ruining its legacy too much.


How so? Explain.

1. The movie hasn't even begun principal photography yet. They're still casting and in the middle of the pre-production process. We don't even have full, official confirmation of anybody's involvement in the film other than the few names at the top of the production and direction heap.

2. Original Trilogy stalwarts are going to be involved. Lawrence Kasdan played integral roles in making Empire and Jedi the popular, beloved modern classics that they are. J.J.'s many things, but a complete egomaniac and dictator who doesn't listen to others on his staff and is deliberately trying to sink entire franchises isn't one of them.

3. Disney, Lucas and Kathleen Kennedy aren't going to put this cherished franchise in the hands of a complete idiot who can barely direct a beer or tampon commercial. J.J. is a tried and tested factor who - whether you liked the last two movies or not - revived the Star Trek film franchise after the tanking and failure of Nemesis, a film even many die-hard, committed Trekkers didn't want to see. Abrams isn't Lucas. He's not Kershner. He's not Marquand. But he's not a chump or a putz who is going to torpedo one of the greatest franchises in the history of popular entertainment.

Again: how is he going to destroy Star Wars?
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Old January 14 2014, 02:49 AM   #20
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I'm not sure how I feel about making the older generation the focus, even just in the first movie. Not that it won't be great to see the Big Three again, but I still think I'd rather see them in supporting roles (think Captain Pike, not as little as Spock Prime). I'm sure it'll be really good and they'll give the new generation a good amount of screentime, I'm just not sure switching the focus is the best idea.

I'd be down with Hugo Weaving as Thrawn, or a new villain either way.

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Have Han and Leia married to random other people.
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He's not here to make a good SW movie, just like he wasn't trying to make a good ST movie. ...mostly horrible actors...
Oh come on.
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Old January 14 2014, 02:59 AM   #21
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J.J. Abrams and screenwriter Lawrence Kasdan have also supposedly been retooling the script of the new film to focus more heavily on the classic Troika from the OT (Luke, Leia and Han) and less on any secondary heroes such as theoretical offspring of the previous episodes' heroes.
I guess the offspring are sort of inevitable in a way, but what tends to worry me about focusing on them is my fear that they'll be cast from our current crop of Overexposed Pretty Vapid People.
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Old January 14 2014, 03:43 AM   #22
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If we're lucky Abrams will take a cue from Lucas and have the new kids audition together so he can get a feel for who plays well off each other.
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Old January 14 2014, 04:02 AM   #23
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That said, I do sincerely believe that if die-hard fans got to handle things their way, despite all their efforts, it would end up being for the franchise kinda like the Executor smashing into the Death Star II.

Case in point: I wanted a bigger space battle in Return of the Jedi. Years later, I began to appreciate that we'd already been there and done that in A New Hope. Me getting my fangasm would have come at the expense of going back to where the OT had already been. I've since come to appreciate that one of the things that Jedi has going for it is that it makes the few space battle scenes that are in there count a great deal. Plus, it got to expand the base by appealing to an audience to whom WWII reenactments in space don't really appeal.

Fans routinely want to revisit the moments when they squeed, and they have a hard time coming up with genuinely new ideas. Overloading a new film with the servicing of things past is not the way to go forward and blaze new territory, and it would cause me to cross the line into becoming concerned, is really all I meant.
I think the Clone Wars series really did a good job of evoking those "squee" moments without bloating them into the visually-mesmerizing, narratively-excessive frenzy we saw at the beginning of ROTS. I'm pretty darned sure we're going to get at least one space battle. But if it follows a tighter focus, like Clone Wars, ANH, or even ROTJ, it'll be worth seeing.

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I'm kind of torn on this if it's true. On the one hand it does make sense to focus on the familiar (the big three), when starting over as a way to introduce the new (second generation), but at the same time it is going to be ridiculous to have people as old as Hamil, Ford, and Fisher are now playing action hero in a big budget blockbuster like this.
Where does it say they are playing "action hero" though? The story could absolutely focus on them without having them resort to the kind of physicality we saw from Ford in KOTCS.
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Old January 14 2014, 04:12 AM   #24
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So, will these kids be kissing cousins?
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Old January 14 2014, 04:14 AM   #25
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Where does it say they are playing "action hero" though? The story could absolutely focus on them without having them resort to the kind of physicality we saw from Ford in KOTCS.
It may not. However, the prequel trilogy had Christopher Lee doing back flips.
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Old January 14 2014, 04:15 AM   #26
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I think the tendency to concentrate on the older generation over that of newer generation of characters is probably not a good idea. They are falling into the same trap as the Expanded Universe novels.
According to the article, they're focusing on the older gen before before transitioning to the newer gen. It's not a bad strategy - but, like all things, it will depend on the manner the strategy is implemented, in how smoothly they make the transition.
That is their current plan. A plan that could easily change if Disney and Abrams instead decides to go another direction after VII like they did after pushing the previous writer out.
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Old January 14 2014, 04:19 AM   #27
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I think the tendency to concentrate on the older generation over that of newer generation of characters is probably not a good idea. They are falling into the same trap as the Expanded Universe novels.
According to the article, they're focusing on the older gen before before transitioning to the newer gen. It's not a bad strategy - but, like all things, it will depend on the manner the strategy is implemented, in how smoothly they make the transition.
That is their current plan. A plan that could easily change if Disney and Abrams instead decides to go another direction after VII like they did after pushing the previous writer out.
That is the new plan originally it was going to be the other way around.
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I think it's a mistake to think that Abrams has as much control over Star Wars as he does over Star Trek. It's entirely possible Disney didn't like Arndt's approach and told him to go and Abrams is just towing the line.

I find Abrams to be incredibly hit and miss, but these casting choices are extremely interesting. Michael Fassbender in Star Wars would be... well, phenomenal.
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Old January 14 2014, 04:21 AM   #29
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Where does it say they are playing "action hero" though? The story could absolutely focus on them without having them resort to the kind of physicality we saw from Ford in KOTCS.
It may not. However, the prequel trilogy had Christopher Lee doing back flips.
Really? You're really projecting the direction the PT took onto where these movies are going?

I'm pretty sure Disney and Abrams are keen to avoid how the PT was received (and perceived).
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That said, I do sincerely believe that if die-hard fans got to handle things their way, despite all their efforts, it would end up being for the franchise kinda like the Executor smashing into the Death Star II.

Case in point: I wanted a bigger space battle in Return of the Jedi. Years later, I began to appreciate that we'd already been there and done that in A New Hope. Me getting my fangasm would have come at the expense of going back to where the OT had already been. I've since come to appreciate that one of the things that Jedi has going for it is that it makes the few space battle scenes that are in there count a great deal. Plus, it got to expand the base by appealing to an audience to whom WWII reenactments in space don't really appeal.

Fans routinely want to revisit the moments when they squeed, and they have a hard time coming up with genuinely new ideas. Overloading a new film with the servicing of things past is not the way to go forward and blaze new territory, and it would cause me to cross the line into becoming concerned, is really all I meant.
I think the Clone Wars series really did a good job of evoking those "squee" moments without bloating them into the visually-mesmerizing, narratively-excessive frenzy we saw at the beginning of ROTS. I'm pretty darned sure we're going to get at least one space battle. But if it follows a tighter focus, like Clone Wars, ANH, or even ROTJ, it'll be worth seeing.
Sorry, just a minor nit that needs fixing. I misspoke. I didn't mean that I wanted a bigger space battle, as in one with more ships. What I meant was that originally I wanted to focus more extensively on the space battle part of the story. Just in case my meaning wasn't clear, I'm editing my post to reflect that.

The beginning of ROTS is probably my least favorite of the three space battles. I actually enjoy it less and less each time I see it, in contrast with the battles in ANH and ROTJ. These days, I'm enjoying ROTJ's battle more and more.

Oh, and I thought that The Clone Wars was overall quite an excellent series.
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