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Old January 13 2014, 06:09 AM   #556
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Re: Captain America: The Winter Soldier pre-release thread

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Of course those "old fashioned" ideals actually came with an unfortunate degree of racism, gender discrimination and social inequality...but that's a whole other discussion!
Criticism from a man whose country still has Lords and Ladies and swears allegiance to a Queen.

Plus you don't seem to understand the whole purpose of ideals. They exist not to cover up flaws but to transcend them (and judging by the racial violence in Europe we are doing a pretty good job).

Just because Captain America lived with racists doesn't mean he was one himself.
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Old January 13 2014, 07:34 PM   #557
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OK, *when* exactly did I swear allegiance to the Queen? And when exactly did this discussion become personal? Calm down sunshine.
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Old January 13 2014, 08:16 PM   #558
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Of course those "old fashioned" ideals actually came with an unfortunate degree of racism, gender discrimination and social inequality...but that's a whole other discussion!
Criticism from a man whose country still has Lords and Ladies and swears allegiance to a Queen.
Citizens of the UK are not required to swear allegiance to anyone.

Lords are elected government representatives.

"Ladies" refering simply to their spouses, who often have other roles in government/civil service.

All of the "old fashioned" aspects of the jobs themselves have been replaced apart from a few aesthetic keepsakes, a tiny piece of what the House of Lords actually is today.

These people are the final stage of passing laws that have overturned the likes of gender and racial inequality.

But do please keep being ignorant, it's amusing.
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Old January 13 2014, 08:35 PM   #559
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I like Cap's Roosevelt-ian New Deal era politics and I like to explain to people who associate Captain America with 'jingoist' policies that he's a much more subtle and liberal character than the name suggests. But I thought Reverend made a fair point, that we shouldn't overlook the problems that prevailed at the time that the character is supposed to have grown up in.

I don't think anyone should take it as an insult; merely a reminder that nostalgia ain't what it use to be! Seriously though, don't forget that Roosevelt (whose presidency I have a lot of respect for) opened detention camps for Japanese-Americans during WWII, long before any War on Terror thought of similar ideas.
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Old January 13 2014, 09:21 PM   #560
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Of course those "old fashioned" ideals actually came with an unfortunate degree of racism, gender discrimination and social inequality...but that's a whole other discussion!
Criticism from a man whose country still has Lords and Ladies and swears allegiance to a Queen.
Citizens of the UK are not required to swear allegiance to anyone.

Lords are elected government representatives.

"Ladies" refering simply to their spouses, who often have other roles in government/civil service.

All of the "old fashioned" aspects of the jobs themselves have been replaced apart from a few aesthetic keepsakes, a tiny piece of what the House of Lords actually is today.

These people are the final stage of passing laws that have overturned the likes of gender and racial inequality.

But do please keep being ignorant, it's amusing.
Watch 'Benefits Street' for a real slice of British life.

I personally have toasted the Queen on many occasions, however.

And 'Ladies' are not just the spouses of Lords. Many Baronesses are titled on their own merit, don't forget. Go Floella Benjamin, I say!
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Old January 14 2014, 12:21 AM   #561
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Lords are elected government representatives.
Elected by whom?
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Old January 14 2014, 01:39 AM   #562
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Lords are elected government representatives.
Elected by whom?
Ooh slam dunk. I'm guessing our alien overlords.
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Old January 14 2014, 06:47 AM   #563
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Is the elevator scene from the extended trailer online yet? I really loved that scene.

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Old January 14 2014, 07:47 AM   #564
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One of the SHIELD goons in the elevator attacks Cap with a sharp object. They want Cap dead for some reason, and I don't think it's because of insubordination.
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Old January 14 2014, 09:20 AM   #565
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Lords are elected government representatives.
Elected by whom?
Ooh slam dunk. I'm guessing our alien overlords.
Indeed.

When Tony Blair was PM he tried to reform the House of Lords from being unelected to semi-elected or something like that. I understand the need for a upper house given some of the totally retarded laws the House of Commons and the Government try and push through and the Lords does act as a balance against that because even though it's made of former MPs among it's ranks, until the dickhead-in-chief started filling it up with more Conservative peers, it has pretty much been nonpartisan.

But yes, one of my biggest bug bears is that this check-and-balance and who can dictate what laws are passed or what should be "watered down" is unelected.

As for swearing allegiance to the queen. Nope, never done that, even when doing the Scout promise, I always skirted over that part and submitted (mentally mind you) God and the Queen with Humanity and Community respectively. - Now that a new promise has been made for non-god fearing heathens like myself, it should be a whole lot easier.
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Old January 14 2014, 11:26 AM   #566
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Citizens of the UK are not required to swear allegiance to anyone.
I didn't say require. Do pay attention.

Lords are elected government representatives.
Since 1997. America has direct election of our Senators since 1918.

But do please keep being ignorant, it's amusing.
You stick to your side of the pond and I'll stick to mine.
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Old January 14 2014, 01:33 PM   #567
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We're completely off topic, but I thought the House of Lords (leaving aside the still hereditary ones) were appointed, not elected.
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Old January 14 2014, 01:41 PM   #568
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We're completely off topic, but I thought the House of Lords (leaving aside the still hereditary ones) were appointed, not elected.
Indeed they are, hence this and the follow up a few posts later.

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Old January 14 2014, 02:07 PM   #569
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Yeah, that's why I was responding to Yminale, who posted saying they were elected well after your post.
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Old January 14 2014, 02:12 PM   #570
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Yeah, that's why I was responding to Yminale, who posted saying they were elected well after your post.

Fair enough, unless he saw what I was responding to and bypassed by posts.
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