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Old January 12 2014, 06:31 PM   #16
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Re: The Khan Blood Conundrum

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I'm more worried about long distance transporting but as ever the gang on how Star Trek Into Darkness should have ended pretty much covers both points.
Meh. Considering how close JJ et al made the Klingon homeworld to Earth, millions of augmented Klingon warriors, full of Khan blood, should be pouring into the solar system in the matter of hours, well before enough long-range transporters can be built.
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Old January 12 2014, 10:34 PM   #17
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Had they said "nanite infused blood" or some similar Berman Era technobabble, would it have made it any better?
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Old January 12 2014, 10:45 PM   #18
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Had they said "nanite infused blood" or some similar Berman Era technobabble, would it have made it any better?
LMFAO NOPE!

Seven and her nanoprobes did become quite annoying after Scorpion.
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Old January 12 2014, 11:06 PM   #19
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Didn't Seven bring Neelix back from the dead with her nanoprobes one time?
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Old January 12 2014, 11:11 PM   #20
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The magic blood reversed radiation damage, cured the little girl of illness and resurrected a very basic life-form (the tribble), but I doubt it can heal the kind of catastrophic injuries like Khan and his crew sustained in WoK.

And, of course, that technology has been banned since 1996 (as seen in DS9, ENT etc), because humans are stupid.
^ Genetic manipulation is a funky thing in Trek isn't. I recently rewatched the VOY episode "The Fight". In it Chakotay says that a family doctor suppressed a gene which causes cognitive disorder; before he was even born.Other members of Chakotay's family were known to suffer from it as well.

That's genetic manipulation and or eugenics (since Chakotay was altered before birth). Something the Federation allegedly considers a no-no. Also remember Chakotay was a member of the Starfleet before he resigned and joined they Maqui. It's not unreasonable to assume the Fed would permit some genetic tinkering. I don't think the Fed government would close genetic enginerring off to people who knew they were going to be born with mentally and or physically handicapped babies.
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Old January 13 2014, 12:56 AM   #21
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Didn't Seven bring Neelix back from the dead with her nanoprobes one time?
Yep.

Maybe it would have been better if a space probe had revived Kirk. Or maybe if left his lifeless irradiated body on a planet created out of nebula gas by one single torpedo.

I don't get it, really. Of all the medical save the days, Khan's blood isn't that big of a deal. It's just the same old trope (McCoy's magic hypo) without the techobabble.
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Old January 13 2014, 03:34 AM   #22
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I don't get it, really. Of all the medical save the days, Khan's blood isn't that big of a deal. It's just the same old trope (McCoy's magic hypo) without the techobabble.
The big deal is how reproducable it is. They have a bunch of sources of the blood on ice, so they've effectively cured death. Kind of kills a source of drama for future Trek.
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Old January 13 2014, 03:38 AM   #23
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^Most likely because the way it's presented. Trying to make it a surprise (that no one was surprised by) if they'd had McCoy figure it out for himself and plan for it, it would have come across a lot better.

The scene where they shoe-horned in the 'testing on a dead tribble' exposition was painful.
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Old January 13 2014, 03:44 AM   #24
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Kind of kills a source of drama for future Trek.
It's Trek. You can always be disintegrated by phaser or your whole starship can be blowed up real good. Death is still on the table.
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Old January 13 2014, 04:35 AM   #25
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I don't get it, really. Of all the medical save the days, Khan's blood isn't that big of a deal. It's just the same old trope (McCoy's magic hypo) without the techobabble.
The big deal is how reproducable it is. They have a bunch of sources of the blood on ice, so they've effectively cured death. Kind of kills a source of drama for future Trek.
Actually we don't know that for sure. All we know is Khan, for certain, has the mutant-healing factor. If, as you said, McCoy thought he had it on tap in the other tubes, why bother with Khan--beyond a warranted ass-kicking.

It doesn't kill any source of future drama in Trek any more than any other other technobabble miracle cures.
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Old January 13 2014, 08:44 AM   #26
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This is a series where thought travels at FTL speeds, people can be blasted to atoms and reassembled, and a magic wave makes planets out of nebulas which also turns a dead body into an infant which then grows to just the right age and some telepathy hocus pocus lets his marbles get put back, and yet people endlessly gripe about blood with regenerative properties?

Seriously?
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Old January 13 2014, 09:18 AM   #27
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This is a series where thought travels at FTL speeds, people can be blasted to atoms and reassembled, and a magic wave makes planets out of nebulas which also turns a dead body into an infant which then grows to just the right age and some telepathy hocus pocus lets his marbles get put back, and yet people endlessly gripe about blood with regenerative properties?

Seriously?
The issue isn't how silly stuff is, it's the potential ripple effect. Silly, universe changing stuff that that everyone 'forgets' instantly to avoid ruining the premise of the franchise gets elevated to a different level.

In fairness, the recent Khan comic has proposed that the transport to Kronos was pre-planned using a series of relays, a bit like the stargate bridge. While silly, this is less silly and less universe changing than a direct transport because it is more consistent with existing Trek tech and impractical for general use.
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Old January 13 2014, 09:26 AM   #28
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eah, but in the ALT Universe, they already perfected it in 1996 or so.
But kept it secret. So if Khan existed in our own Earth's history, or even the Prime Universe (in which Khan rose to power) it would be a secret too. Hence my friend was part of a clinical trial in 2013.
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Old January 13 2014, 11:43 AM   #29
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This is a series where thought travels at FTL speeds, people can be blasted to atoms and reassembled, and a magic wave makes planets out of nebulas which also turns a dead body into an infant which then grows to just the right age and some telepathy hocus pocus lets his marbles get put back, and yet people endlessly gripe about blood with regenerative properties?

Seriously?
The issue isn't how silly stuff is, it's the potential ripple effect. Silly, universe changing stuff that that everyone 'forgets' instantly to avoid ruining the premise of the franchise gets elevated to a different level.
But why does it this version bother you so much, when TNG had similar long-range beaming and the Immortality Device aka transporter? How do they get a pass?

We haven't even seen the next film yet - you assumed transwarp beaming would be forgotten, but it was used once more and then written out of the universe.
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Old January 13 2014, 03:58 PM   #30
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Re: The Khan Blood Conundrum

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In fairness, the recent Khan comic has proposed that the transport to Kronos was pre-planned using a series of relays, a bit like the stargate bridge.
I believe this was also in the novelization.

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While silly, this is less silly and less universe changing than a direct transport because it is more consistent with existing Trek tech and impractical for general use.
I don't see why it really makes any meaningful difference - except as an obvious attempt to mollify fans who were frustrated by the film's depiction. No matter how many relays you end up using, the last relay is still going to be at interstellar distance from Kronos, so transwarp beaming is still just as powerful either way.

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and then written out of the universe.
Say what?
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