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View Poll Results: Will you be getting a PS4 and/or Xbox One ?
I'll get both 10 10.87%
Staying with Playstation (PS3 to PS4) 48 52.17%
Staying with Xbox (360 to One) 13 14.13%
Changing to Playstation (360 to PS4) 21 22.83%
Changing to Xbox (PS3 to One) 0 0%
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Old January 5 2014, 03:11 AM   #241
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The voice command stuff works great once you learn how to enunciate for the system

And that's just it, though. In a perfect world, everyone would enunciate perfectly, but this is a system that's been touted as being able to understand natural speech. Anything else is just awkward and kind of defeats the purpose of its usefulness.
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Old January 5 2014, 03:50 AM   #242
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The issue with Kinect is not that it's a camera, it's that it is a device theoretically capable of analysing human behaviour and activity, creating a log-file of that activity, and sending that file to MS. MS could then sell the collated data on to any interested third parties, or secretly be forced to hand it over to the NSA
You just described google and everything else people use on the internet.
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Old January 5 2014, 03:55 AM   #243
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And that's just it, though. In a perfect world, everyone would enunciate perfectly, but this is a system that's been touted as being able to understand natural speech. Anything else is just awkward and kind of defeats the purpose of its usefulness.
Getting people to stop slurring their words and to speak and enunciate properly is a bad thing now?

What I'm reading is "Using the program properly defeats the purpose of having it" which is kind of a strange stance to take.
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Old January 5 2014, 04:07 PM   #244
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You just described google and everything else people use on the internet.
Kinect (supposedly) is way more powerful than a tracking cookie. Google can tell if I watch a video on Youtube, but they can't tell if I laughed or cried while watching it. They might be able to tell that I'm reading a Wikipedia article about butterflies, but they can't tell that I'm drinking a bottle of vodka and snorting cocaine while doing it. They might be able to tell that I watched The Wire, but they don't know that my eyes were eerily transfixed on Omar's penis that one time.
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Old January 5 2014, 04:19 PM   #245
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nobody really believes that anyone at MS will use the Kinect to literally watch us.
I wouldn't put it past them. This is bloody Microsoft we're talking about here.
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Old January 5 2014, 06:16 PM   #246
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They have the technology and patent for it. They spent millions in R&D to do just that.

Why not?
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Old January 5 2014, 06:56 PM   #247
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And that's just it, though. In a perfect world, everyone would enunciate perfectly, but this is a system that's been touted as being able to understand natural speech. Anything else is just awkward and kind of defeats the purpose of its usefulness.
Getting people to stop slurring their words and to speak and enunciate properly is a bad thing now?

What I'm reading is "Using the program properly defeats the purpose of having it" which is kind of a strange stance to take.
Anytime you force people to adapt to you it will fail, especially when you're dealing with the broad massess. People expect to use technology without changing their habits and if yout technology can't adapt you are wide open for failure.

In most videos i've seen voice commands only worked about 50% of the time, sometimes higher and that is just unacceptable for consumer electronics and if this keeps up i don't see people using the feature too much as cool as it may be.

It is an ambitious project but just too soon but i also guess MS wants to keep to their roadplan at all costs and distinguish itself from Sony as much as they can. I believe their strategy is a sound one when they aim to provide a combined media center but their execution is sorely lacking.

If competitors are developing similar technologies (I'm looking at you Apple) but take their time to do it right MS might lose out again even if they were the first to try it.. again.
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Old January 5 2014, 11:46 PM   #248
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And that's just it, though. In a perfect world, everyone would enunciate perfectly, but this is a system that's been touted as being able to understand natural speech. Anything else is just awkward and kind of defeats the purpose of its usefulness.
Getting people to stop slurring their words and to speak and enunciate properly is a bad thing now?

Nope, never said that. I'm all for enunciating properly, in fact I get very frustrated when actors end up mumbling their words throughout a movie, and when turning up the volume won't help due to bad audio.

Point is, most people don't enunciate properly in the first place. I think what a lot of people look for in a system like this is being able to just use a normal every day conversational tone. And this isn't a knock on MS, but I don't think we're quite there yet, in terms of voice recognition in general. We're not up to the level of having something accepting commands in a similar way to HAL. Not speaking about any response back, mind you, but just being able to accept commands using an everyday conversational tone. Having to speak up for a machine is just simply an unnatural concept for many people, and until that happens, I don't think a system such as MS has with the Kinect will have very widespread appeal or success. It's certainly possible though, that over the course of the life of the console, that they'll find ways to improve it as voice recognition technologies improve. There are a lot of variables to consider though in a system like that, such as room size, ambient noise, accents, and the volume at which someone is speaking at, and I think that's a large margin for error right there, and why a lot of people may have trouble with it.

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Old January 6 2014, 01:49 PM   #249
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Voice dialing has been with us for years and yet hardly anybody uses it for the same reasons...
It's also faster to find the contact in your contactlist and press dial...
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Old January 7 2014, 01:12 AM   #250
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Well, one problem with voice dialing is you need to press a button to activate. If I could address my phone while it's sitting in my pocket or on my desk and initiate the call with a voice command while reaching for it, that might actually be sort of useful.

The Xbox voice recognition, for all its hype... totally sucks. It messes up channel names. Even though it has context to go on. It literally is incapable of switching to Fox Sports 2 by voice command. It always goes to Fox Sports 1. It messes up lots of other channel names too. But at least with other stuff I've found that if I go into hyper-enunciate mode I can usually get it to work.

But, compared to my almost 4 year old Android phone.... it's nowhere near as good. If I click the voice thing on the touch keyboard... with no context, it figures out "Xbox watch fox sports two" with no problem. I don't even have to go into hyper-enunciation mode, though I do make some effort to sound clear. Granted, I'm pretty sure the google voice recognition is done server-side... but it just plain works better than the supposed wunderdevice Kinect 2.0.
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Old January 7 2014, 09:37 PM   #251
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Interesting. Given how hyped it is, It seems like it wasn't thought all the way through. I think I can start to understand the reason for the delays in launching the feature in other countries, given the different channels it would have to handle. It just doesn't sound ready. And I wonder how much trouble it would have with similar sounding channels.
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Old January 8 2014, 09:12 PM   #252
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And... the trolling has started. Have to admit, some of it is kind of hilarious:

http://kotaku.com/what-xbox-one-trol...ike-1497193040
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Old January 9 2014, 02:42 PM   #253
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And... the trolling has started. Have to admit, some of it is kind of hilarious:

http://kotaku.com/what-xbox-one-trol...ike-1497193040
That IS absolutely hilarious.
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Old January 9 2014, 09:05 PM   #254
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And... the trolling has started. Have to admit, some of it is kind of hilarious:

http://kotaku.com/what-xbox-one-trol...ike-1497193040
That IS absolutely hilarious.

And admittedly, it's quite clever. He doesn't really have to do much other than sign in, just stand there and watch the chaos unfold. I don't think he was so much a jerk, as someone trying to see what would happen. This kind of helps Microsoft in the end, in finding areas to improve upon.

If I were them, I'd make any voice commands unable to be used as gamertags. Shouldn't be too hard to protect those as system functions.
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Old January 9 2014, 09:30 PM   #255
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Both for me. I usually buy every system that comes out. This will be no different. Got the Wii U already and just bought the XBOX One on Monday when Best Buy had some available. Will likely buy the PS4 later this year at some point.
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