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Old January 5 2014, 04:33 AM   #151
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Also, of note, this is the first movie/TV-based show in a while to use actual footage from the source material rather than recreating it with animations or re-enacting it with the cast.
It depends on whether they can get the rights from the film owners, I guess. Given that Adam, Grant, and Tory used to work for ILM, and given that the producers were presumably willing to shell out more money for this special, I'm not surprised they got the rights.

On some of the episodes on Netflix, the clip rights have apparently lapsed, since the clips are edited out. For instance, the "Black Powder Shark" myth based on the movie Deep Blue Sea no longer has the movie clips included in the streaming episode, which is a bit confusing if you're seeing it for the first time, since it means they jump right into the preparation without explaining what it is exactly that they're testing. It's too bad the producers didn't plan for the contingency of losing the clip rights and make alternate animation segments to accompany the same narration.

Although they went well beyond licensing a few clips here. They would've had to pay for the right to use trademarked logos, costume and creature designs, and characters like R2 and Chewie, plus they licensed the John Williams theme for the opening.
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Old January 5 2014, 04:43 AM   #152
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I wonder if that's a Netflix exclusive problem, given the oddities with them and the instant streaming service when it comes to some other series, and not with the DVDs?
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Old January 5 2014, 04:50 AM   #153
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It could be the case with the DVDs too, depending on what rights were negotiated. Many shows have DVD-release problems due to music clearance; either they have to replace the original licensed songs with substitutes (like in one of the early VHS releases of Trek's "The City on the Edge of Forever" where all the uses of "Goodnight, Sweetheart" were replaced), or the shows have to be severely edited or just not released at all. This is why WKRP in Cincinnati isn't on DVD -- because the music clearance rights are a mess. Nobody at the time knew they'd need to negotiate for future home-video clearances.
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Old January 6 2014, 03:06 PM   #154
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I'm gonna bet that Sophia was in a harness for the chasm swing. Look closely and she seems very relaxed, isn't holding onto Jamie very hard, and doesn't separate very far from him when they land.

If nothing else, the insurance people would have had a fit.
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Old January 6 2014, 07:36 PM   #155
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Adam actually mentioned in the online Aftershow that one big reason they waited so long to do SW was being able to afford the clips.

And yeah, it definitely looked like Sophia Bush was hooked up to a harness in the final swing. You could see where the front of her costume was pulled upward on her right once they landed. Granted, by that point they had already shown that Jaime could carry the weight across, but it still would have been nice if they had actually acknowledged the harness.
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Old January 6 2014, 09:57 PM   #156
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Adam actually mentioned in the online Aftershow that one big reason they waited so long to do SW was being able to afford the clips.
And then he laughed. He was joking, I doubt the cost of those clips for the movies would have cost "that" much, really. Especially given they were pretty short, minor, clips for 30-year-old movies that pretty much everyone has seen.

Adam then goes on to say that since the earlier seasons of the show they've grown to testing more fictional things/ "myths." And, really, it's probably taken "that long" for them to really build the "rep" to be able to do this to make it an event episode. Had they done this in the earlier seasons it wouldn't have been quite as big of a deal.
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Old January 7 2014, 02:57 AM   #157
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Adam actually mentioned in the online Aftershow that one big reason they waited so long to do SW was being able to afford the clips.
And then he laughed. He was joking, I doubt the cost of those clips for the movies would have cost "that" much, really. Especially given they were pretty short, minor, clips for 30-year-old movies that pretty much everyone has seen.
I think it was the kind of joke that was based in the truth. No, it didn't literally take them ten years to save up enough money to afford the clips, but that was a facetious way of saying that, yes, the clips were expensive. Thirty years old or not, they're Star Wars movies -- and they're Disney property now. So of course the clips are expensive to license.

I was interested by Adam's discussion of Han shooting first. I've always been bothered by the pride people take in the idea of Han shooting first, as if there were something admirable about killing in cold blood. But Adam's explanation completely turned that around: Han shooting first is important not because it's heroic, but precisely because it isn't, because it establishes his moral failings at the start of the saga so that his growth into a hero over the course of the story is more meaningful. So it finally makes sense to me.

(Well, that and the fact that the altered sequence is very awkwardly executed and requires Greedo to miss at point-blank range. I've always understood that part of the dislike.)
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Old January 7 2014, 03:35 AM   #158
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Well, that's one of the arguments for "Han Shoots First" I've heard over the years but the bigger one, the one I usually go with, is just that Han is a ruthless smuggler sitting three-feet away from a bounty hunter who has just said he's after Han's head. Why WOULDN'T Han shoot first? The change also is problematic for several other reasons for me:

1. The "idea" of the Special Editions was for Lucas to go back and add or fix things he wanted but couldn't do back in the 70s/80s. Things like other creatures, more extras/troopers, making planets look more alien or otherworldly, removing matte lines and the like. So what in 1977 prevented Lucas from being able to film Greedo shooting first and Han dodging the shot?

2. It makes Greedo look like the galaxy's worst shot considering he missed a man sitting three-feet away from him (point-blank range) with a LASER!

3. Han DODGES a laser. Say what you want about the EU suggesting Han has a degree of force-sensitivity that gives him what he calls "luck" that's a pretty damn hard stunt to pull off. A laser (and even if we assume it's literally not light but a particle of some sort it's still going be traveling at very close to the speed of light like electrons do) is going to get from Greedo's gun to Han's head in like a couple of femtoseconds.

The change was just pure dumb. The "arc" of Han's character is a good argument if you don't want to completely buy into Han being a ruthless killer unless there's a "means to an end" for him to be so. But that doesn't change the "fact" of what's going on in this universe. Han IS a scoundrel and he'd hardly be a ruthless killer for taking down a man with a gun who's sitting three feet away from him who has JUST SAID he's going to kill him.

Ugh... Breathe.... Breathe.... "You're not even *that* big of a Star Wars fan."... Breathe... Breathe... Relax, think of Kari in the Endor Camo.... Relax....

Sigh.

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Old January 7 2014, 03:51 AM   #159
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Lucasfilm and Disney are the two mist litigious film companies out there. Lucas regularly issued C&Ds to garage kit manufacturers I know who dared to make unlicensed short-run resin amateur model kits, and Disney once sued a daycare for painting Disney characters on a playground wall.

As for Han shooting first - holy poop, he'd have been the stupidest guy in the galaxy NOT to! Greedo's last line CLEARLY indicated he was about to shoot Han! Somebody's holding a gun in your face and says something that indicates he's about to shoot you, you do NOT wait for him to shoot first! You shoot the fucker, or you fucking DIE! It counts as self-defense, believe me!
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Old January 7 2014, 03:55 AM   #160
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Lucasfilm and Disney are the two mist litigious film companies out there. Lucas regularly issued C&Ds to garage kit manufacturers I know who dared to make unlicensed short-run resin amateur model kits, and Disney once sued a daycare for painting Disney characters on a playground wall.

As for Han shooting first - holy poop, he'd have been the stupidest guy in the galaxy NOT to! Greedo's last line CLEARLY indicated he was about to shoot Han! Somebody's holding a gun in your face and says something that indicates he's about to shoot you, you do NOT wait for him to shoot first! You shoot the fucker, or you fucking DIE! It counts as self-defense, believe me!
Indeed, Han shooting Greddo would not have been in "cold blood" it'd be self defense considering Greddo literally JUST SAID he was going to kill Han.
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Old January 7 2014, 05:47 AM   #161
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I should clarify: I have no problem understanding why it is more logical for Han to shoot first, why it fits better with the facts of the scene. What I couldn't understand was the emotion fans invested in it, the way they seemed to celebrate and glorify the act of shooting first as if it were somehow heroic or admirable, which seems morally backwards to me. But Adam's explanation makes far more emotional and ethical sense to me -- that it's not about glorifying the act of violence, but about valuing its role in Han's emotional journey from scoundrel to hero. It's about the contrast between the ruthlessness of that act and the compassion and selflessness he develops later on. That's something I can actually understand getting emotional about.
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It also ups the stakes for Obi-Wan and Luke; they've just signed on with a smuggler who shoots a man in cold blood in the very next scene. It's effective because it increases the tension: who is this guy? And just how much trouble might Obi-Wan and Luke be in for hiring him?

Showing Han fire in clear self-defense lessens the impact. It hurts the movie because, well, it's bad drama to have Greedo shoot first.
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I should clarify: I have no problem understanding why it is more logical for Han to shoot first, why it fits better with the facts of the scene. What I couldn't understand was the emotion fans invested in it, the way they seemed to celebrate and glorify the act of shooting first as if it were somehow heroic or admirable, which seems morally backwards to me. But Adam's explanation makes far more emotional and ethical sense to me -- that it's not about glorifying the act of violence, but about valuing its role in Han's emotional journey from scoundrel to hero. It's about the contrast between the ruthlessness of that act and the compassion and selflessness he develops later on. That's something I can actually understand getting emotional about.
Or that it was just incredibly cool that he didn't give a fuck and shot first.

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Old January 7 2014, 03:53 PM   #164
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It also ups the stakes for Obi-Wan and Luke; they've just signed on with a smuggler who shoots a man in cold blood in the very next scene. It's effective because it increases the tension: who is this guy? And just how much trouble might Obi-Wan and Luke be in for hiring him?
Another good point.
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Old January 7 2014, 06:46 PM   #165
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I don't know that anyone was glorifying Han shooting first, it's just that it was so perfectly sensible to shoot first in that situation, that redoing it so he shoots AFTER he gets shot at makes Han look like a complete idiot. At least, that's why *I* was against it.
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