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Old January 5 2014, 04:03 AM   #31
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Re: Does the Nu Ent have Quantum Slipstream?

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I'm pretty sure that's not why he was angry.

Also, if S31 confiscated it, shouldn't it have been a huge shock when they found it was used? Wouldn't the idea that technology is confiscated and not allowed to be used be a huge red flag?
This post just makes me ponder what the heck Starfleet/the Federation did with all that technology that our heroes have found over the years, from TOS to Voyager. Sure, the novels always say that they're tucked away, but that's not really canon. Surely there are results from the Dyson Sphere expedition force, or the Planet Killer being reverse-engineered. Voyager bought super-powerful torpedoes from an alien vendor, but the only time we ever saw it was the test fire.

The TNG crew appropriating nanite technology with the possibility of using them against the Borg is one of the few times I can think of where previously found technologies and discoveries were even mentioned again, as well as the Iconian gateways returning in DS9.

Of course, the simplest answer is that the writers had other ideas, and that the episodes with those technologies were rarely ever meant to have follow-ups. But still, even just between Kirk and Picard, Starfleet should have quite a collection.
They could literally fix that plot hole by saying that Starfleet brings in so much super-advanced alien tech that they simply can't research all of it or something. Starfleet isn't XCOM: they haven't really shown any ability to rapidly reverse engineer, duplicate, and improve upon unknown technologies on a consistent basis.

Then again, you could argue that the Federation's general lack of foresight probably had something to do with it.

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I want to know why the galactic barrier isn't producing a steady stream of Gary Mitchells!
Because no one wants a stream of megalomaniacs with god-like powers.

Also, doesn't the barrier kill like most of the potential Gary Mitchells in the process? Talk about a waste.
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Old January 6 2014, 02:45 PM   #32
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Re: Does the Nu Ent have Quantum Slipstream?

I want to know why this more militarized Federation doesn't have cloaking devices.

Seriously, the Federation needs to get cloaking devices before the 25th century this time around! The last two films didn't even mention the technology at all.
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Old January 6 2014, 07:44 PM   #33
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I want to know why this more militarized Federation doesn't have cloaking devices.

Seriously, the Federation needs to get cloaking devices before the 25th century this time around! The last two films didn't even mention the technology at all.
Do cloaking devices even exist yet? Ignoring Enterprise, which Braga actually admitted was a continuity error and the later seasons ignored, cloaking technology won't be developed until the 2260s, and it's only the 2250s. As a civilian mining ship, Narada wouldn't have been equipped with a cloak and therefore its presence shouldn't have accelerated the development of cloaking technology by anyone.
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Old January 6 2014, 07:58 PM   #34
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I want to know why this more militarized Federation doesn't have cloaking devices.

Seriously, the Federation needs to get cloaking devices before the 25th century this time around! The last two films didn't even mention the technology at all.
Do cloaking devices even exist yet? Ignoring Enterprise, which Braga actually admitted was a continuity error and the later seasons ignored, cloaking technology won't be developed until the 2260s, and it's only the 2250s. As a civilian mining ship, Narada wouldn't have been equipped with a cloak and therefore its presence shouldn't have accelerated the development of cloaking technology by anyone.
Weren't they mentioned in the Kobayashi Maru scene?

I might be mixing that up with the deleted scene where the Klingons captured the Narada though.
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Old January 6 2014, 08:01 PM   #35
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I want to know why this more militarized Federation doesn't have cloaking devices.

Seriously, the Federation needs to get cloaking devices before the 25th century this time around! The last two films didn't even mention the technology at all.
Do cloaking devices even exist yet? Ignoring Enterprise, which Braga actually admitted was a continuity error and the later seasons ignored, cloaking technology won't be developed until the 2260s, and it's only the 2250s. As a civilian mining ship, Narada wouldn't have been equipped with a cloak and therefore its presence shouldn't have accelerated the development of cloaking technology by anyone.
Weren't they mentioned in the Kobayashi Maru scene?

I might be mixing that up with the deleted scene where the Klingons captured the Narada though.
It would make no sense if Klingons have cloaking devices given in the Prime Universe they got them from the Romulans in the technology trade that resulted in the Romulans using D-7s.
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Old January 6 2014, 08:34 PM   #36
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Re: Does the Nu Ent have Quantum Slipstream?

It is mentioned in the Kobayashi Maru scene.
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Old January 6 2014, 09:28 PM   #37
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It would make no sense if Klingons have cloaking devices given in the Prime Universe they got them from the Romulans in the technology trade that resulted in the Romulans using D-7s.
The Romulans got D7's from the Klingons, but that the Klingons got cloaking devices in exchange is pure fanon. Like the Klingon Bird of Prey being a Romulan design (fanon stemming from an early STIII script where it was the case), the idea that Klingons got their cloaks from the Romulans is obsolete.

Maybe they got them from the Xyrillians, along with their holographic tech.
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Old January 7 2014, 01:31 AM   #38
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I might be mixing that up with the deleted scene where the Klingons captured the Narada though.
There's that too.
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Old January 7 2014, 04:08 AM   #39
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It would make no sense if Klingons have cloaking devices given in the Prime Universe they got them from the Romulans in the technology trade that resulted in the Romulans using D-7s.
The Romulans got D7's from the Klingons, but that the Klingons got cloaking devices in exchange is pure fanon. Like the Klingon Bird of Prey being a Romulan design (fanon stemming from an early STIII script where it was the case), the idea that Klingons got their cloaks from the Romulans is obsolete.

Maybe they got them from the Xyrillians, along with their holographic tech.
Still, there is no indication in TOS that Klingon ships could cloak. The first time we see Klingons cloak is in Trek III, so it's not that much of a stretch to assume they couldn't prior to that movie.

Besides, the Klingons must have gotten something impressive in return for their starships, otherwise I can't see them giving top-rate ships of the line to a rival power. Cloaking technology fits that theory.
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