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Old December 30 2013, 06:40 PM   #16
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Re: Does the Nu Ent have Quantum Slipstream?

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We don't really get a definitive sense of how long it took them to get to Klingon space in the first place, do we?
I wonder why they didn't just beam the torpedoes to Kronos, the same way Khan got there.


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Old December 30 2013, 07:07 PM   #17
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The transwarp beaming technology was confiscated by Section 31, whose HQ was destroyed by Thomas Harewood. It's gone.
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Old December 30 2013, 08:49 PM   #18
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Re: Does the Nu Ent have Quantum Slipstream?

Unless Scotty remembers it. And i dont see him actually forgetting something like that.
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Old December 30 2013, 09:12 PM   #19
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Unless Scotty remembers it. And i dont see him actually forgetting something like that.
Well, it *is* a complex equation. Even the best theorists and mathematicians need to keep their notes handy.
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Old December 30 2013, 09:13 PM   #20
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If he remembered it and could recreate it at all, he wouldn't have been so angry that it was confiscated.
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Old December 30 2013, 09:54 PM   #21
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Re: Does the Nu Ent have Quantum Slipstream?

I'm pretty sure that's not why he was angry.

Also, if S31 confiscated it, shouldn't it have been a huge shock when they found it was used? Wouldn't the idea that technology is confiscated and not allowed to be used be a huge red flag?
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Old December 30 2013, 10:29 PM   #22
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"There are plenty of straws. How about Starfleet confiscating my trans-warp equation, and now some madman's using it to hop around the galaxy?!"

Scotty's the guy who identified the device in the wreckage of Khan's jumpship. I'm sure if someone else found it and realized what it was, there could have been something of an outcry. But he brought it right to Kirk who brought it straight to Marcus.
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Old December 31 2013, 04:38 PM   #23
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I don't understand how you can confiscate an idea though. And that's pretty shady behavior for Starfleet if they took it, didn't allow it to be used, and used it.

Regardless, the original point is moot because if Starfleet had the technology, and it was used by one of its operatives (or Section 31's), then nothing really did stop them from physically beaming over the torpedos.
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Old December 31 2013, 06:31 PM   #24
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I think the Nu Ent has a warp drive, not a quantum slipstream drive. Quantum slipstream is too complicated a term, warp is much nicer and tender on the tongue.

What's more, they seem to get faster from Qo'noS to Earth than from Vulcan to Earth in ST09. Spock Prime and Kirk walked for at least a few hours on Delta Vega, not accounting for the time Scotty needed to modify the transporter. That's a long time that the Enterprise was moving in the wrong direction, which they made up for with a half of a warp factor, and it is also a long time for which the Narada was moving. That's incompatible enough with going from Qo'noS to Earth in under ten minutes, so looking for explanations is an invitation for a headache. I don't like headaches.

Somewhat ironic. Dash with an insane speed around the galaxy, and you might actually see the stars move as they did in the TNG era.* Instead, both with the quantum slipstream drive and in nuTrek, the stars are hidden behind this tunnel of light, so you can't see them.


* Checking with Celestia, going 50 light years in a couple of seconds, seems to produce similar but slower effect. Going 500 light years in a couple of seconds, and it's about right. I should think that if you saw the stars moving the way they did in TNG, you'd know something's not quite right with the speed.
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Old January 3 2014, 07:43 AM   #25
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I think that when the Enterprise was returning from Vulcan the ships was damaged and they couldn't go as fast as normal. Remember how Chekov said "If Mr. Scott can get us to warp factor 4...". Amusingly though, the HUD on the viewscreen said that they were going faster than that.
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Old January 3 2014, 08:09 AM   #26
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I wonder why they didn't just beam the torpedoes to Kronos, the same way Khan got there.


I believe this was because Marcus wanted the Enterprise to get caught by the Klingons so that it would start a war.
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Old January 3 2014, 04:17 PM   #27
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As with every single Trek outing in history, the Enterprise moves at the speed of plot. Attempting to get the distances and speeds to reconcile is the utmost exercise in futility.
THIS is the most intelligent and rational explanation in this thread or any other like it. If you MUST reconcile it within the bounds of the fiction, consider the writers part of the Q continuum; the gods change the physics to suit their purposes.
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Old January 4 2014, 10:26 AM   #28
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I'm pretty sure that's not why he was angry.

Also, if S31 confiscated it, shouldn't it have been a huge shock when they found it was used? Wouldn't the idea that technology is confiscated and not allowed to be used be a huge red flag?
This post just makes me ponder what the heck Starfleet/the Federation did with all that technology that our heroes have found over the years, from TOS to Voyager. Sure, the novels always say that they're tucked away, but that's not really canon. Surely there are results from the Dyson Sphere expedition force, or the Planet Killer being reverse-engineered. Voyager bought super-powerful torpedoes from an alien vendor, but the only time we ever saw it was the test fire.

The TNG crew appropriating nanite technology with the possibility of using them against the Borg is one of the few times I can think of where previously found technologies and discoveries were even mentioned again, as well as the Iconian gateways returning in DS9.

Of course, the simplest answer is that the writers had other ideas, and that the episodes with those technologies were rarely ever meant to have follow-ups. But still, even just between Kirk and Picard, Starfleet should have quite a collection.
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Old January 4 2014, 12:07 PM   #29
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I want to know why nobody uses the serum from "Plato's Stepchildren" which gave Kirk and Spock telekinesis!
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Old January 4 2014, 04:50 PM   #30
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Sure, the novels always say that they're tucked away, but that's not really canon.
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I want to know why nobody uses the serum from "Plato's Stepchildren" which gave Kirk and Spock telekinesis!
I want to know why the galactic barrier isn't producing a steady stream of Gary Mitchells!
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