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View Poll Results: Rate The Crimson Shadow.
Outstanding 66 67.35%
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Average 4 4.08%
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Old December 31 2013, 09:13 PM   #256
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Re: TF: The Crimson Shadow by Una McCormack Review Thread (Spoilers!)

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Can I read this one without reading Revelation and Dust?
Yes, you can. It will spoil one major plot development of Revelation and Dust though. Otherwise they are unconnected.
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Old January 1 2014, 06:01 PM   #257
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One question I have what is the name of the book Picard gives Garak at the end of the Crimson Shadow?
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Old January 1 2014, 07:12 PM   #258
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One question I have what is the name of the book Picard gives Garak at the end of the Crimson Shadow?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Master_and_Margarita
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Old January 2 2014, 06:54 PM   #259
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Defcon Thanks for answering my question that Picard novel gave Gark sounds like something Garak would like to read It sounds a lot like the Cardassian novel The Crimson shadow.
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Old January 3 2014, 02:27 AM   #260
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Can I read this one without reading Revelation and Dust?
To get the most enjoyment out of all of The Fall books, you are best to read them in order. You can read out of order if you don't mind spoiling the mini-series for yourself.
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Old January 3 2014, 03:24 AM   #261
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Can I read this one without reading Revelation and Dust?
My opinion, having read all of The Fall books up to half-way through the last, is that Revelation & Dust is entirely unnecessary for any of the other novels. They each contain a "Historian's Note" at the beginning that wrap up R&D's major points in just a couple of paragraphs. 90% of R&D has no bearing upon the rest of The Fall.
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Old January 3 2014, 03:59 AM   #262
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Crimson Shadow is also one of the most self-contained novels in the lot. Its more a character piece about Garak and Cardassia than anything else.

[Which having read the others, works entirely in its benefit.]
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Old January 3 2014, 02:25 PM   #263
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Crimson Shadow is also one of the most self-contained novels in the lot. Its more a character piece about Garak and Cardassia than anything else.

[Which having read the others, works entirely in its benefit.]
Yet it does help unravel the mystery of who is responsible for the assassination making it so important to the story line of "The Fall"
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Old January 4 2014, 03:58 PM   #264
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The assassination is the only element of Revelation and Dust that's really present in The Crimson Shadow (apart from the Castellan returning from DS9 early). The Crimson Shadow is brilliant not only in giving an interesting picture of Cardassia, its politics and people, but also in once again superbly depicting the character of Garak. You can hear him talking when you read the book. His interactions with Picard and his political debates were simply great.
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Old January 22 2014, 03:27 AM   #265
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Re: TF: The Crimson Shadow by Una McCormack Review Thread (Spoilers!)

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I have an image of Una rubbing her hands together in glee at this discussion, thinking "It worked! It worked!"
I just finished The Crimson Shadow, and between my enjoyment of the book and the above quoted post, Una McCormack is now my favorite Trek author.
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Old January 27 2014, 10:02 PM   #266
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I'm perpetually 3-6 months behind, but I'm throwing my hat into the ring. This is advertised as a TNG heavy crossover novel. That's what I was expecting. What I got was something different. A fantastic Garak novel. The only really negative thing I have to say about this novel is that I had trouble keeping up with the characters outside of Garak and Garan. I also thought a lot of the beats of the story were similar to Paths of Disharmony, but it has been a couple of years since I read that one.
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Old January 27 2014, 11:30 PM   #267
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Can I read this one without reading Revelation and Dust?
I skipped Revelation and Dust and did not feel lost when I read the other books. I generally agree with the consensus of this board in ranking the other novels, but once I slogged through the first few chapters of Peaceable Kingdoms I might have liked it just a little more (or hated it less) than some of the other posters here.
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Old January 28 2014, 10:59 AM   #268
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Can I read this one without reading Revelation and Dust?
I think skipping it wouldn't influence much the experience of The Fall series, but it could be especially worth reading before/if new DS9 novels appear, because it brings us up to date with the station and its staff.

That said, I'd read it anyway. It wasn't a bad book
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Old January 28 2014, 02:38 PM   #269
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Re: TF: The Crimson Shadow by Una McCormack Review Thread (Spoilers!)

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Can I read this one without reading Revelation and Dust?
I think skipping it wouldn't influence much the experience of The Fall series, but it could be especially worth reading before/if new DS9 novels appear, because it brings us up to date with the station and its staff.

That said, I'd read it anyway. It wasn't a bad book
I definitely think it going to be very important to future DS9 stories and well worth the read.
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Old February 8 2014, 06:40 AM   #270
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Re: TF: The Crimson Shadow by Una McCormack Review Thread (Spoilers!)

I've got a question:
The Historian's Note says that The Crimson Shadow and Revelation and Dust take place concurrently, but I was wondering exactly how much 'overlap' there is and which book ought to be read first. Can anybody help me out (and no, I don't mind spoilers)?
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