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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old January 3 2014, 02:31 AM   #16
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Re: Even number movie rule

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I am not sure if that rule holds water and what people have against Star Trek III?
I don't recall the "Curse of the odd-numbered films" being mooted until ST V came out. Sure, some people had been disappointed that TMP was not the Trek they were expecting after such a long wait, but ST III was quite appreciated in its day. Suddenly, to gripe about ST V, fans and reviewers were saying that the even-numbered films (II and IV) were the "popular"/"good" ones.

But yeah, then "Nemesis" tossed that ol' rule away.

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People didn't really start bringing this up until STV.
Correct!
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Old January 3 2014, 07:38 PM   #17
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Re: Even number movie rule

I used to think of Generations being a "bad" movie in comparison to first contact, continuing the pattern, but Insurrection and Nemesis were so terrible as well as back-to-back that I don't really think of Generations as being a bad trek movie anymore. Not sure how the reboot plays into it as I do my best to pretend those movies don't exist.
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Old January 3 2014, 08:16 PM   #18
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Re: Even number movie rule

I don't tend to think of the TNG movies in terms of odd or even numbers, so haven't considered the "rule" for those movies. I found Generations indifferent at best, First Contact was reasonably good, with the exception of the characterization of Cochrane. I found Insurrection to be a snoozefest, and thankfully I don't remember very much about Nemesis, other than I didn't enjoy it.
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Old January 7 2014, 04:29 AM   #19
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Re: Even number movie rule

I may be one of the few who have always believed the 'curse'. This is rationalizing a bit, but bear with me. This is how I see it.

TWOK is better than TMP
TVH is better than TSFS
TUC is better than TFF
FC is better than GEN
NEM is better than INS

YMMV
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Old January 7 2014, 04:56 AM   #20
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Re: Even number movie rule

1. The Motion Picture
2. The Wrath of Khan
3. The Search For Spock
4. The Voyage Home
5. The Final Frontier
6. The Undiscovered Country
7. Generations
8. First Contact
9. Insurrection
10. Galaxy Quest
11. Nemesis
12. '09
13. Into Darkness

The bold films are good and the non-bold films suck. It still works.
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Old January 7 2014, 06:22 AM   #21
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Re: Even number movie rule

^ It's an easy trick, but it isn't valid. As cool as it is (and it is very, very cool), Galaxy Quest is not a Star Trek movie.
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Old January 9 2014, 09:58 PM   #22
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Re: Even number movie rule

Therin of Andor wrote: View Post
but ST III was quite appreciated in its day.
Exactly. I still have, somewhere, a few newspaper movie reviews which favored Trek III over II. Saying TWOK "pads, rather than fills, the wide screen" and that TSFS caught the flavor of the TV series more. "Leave it to Lenoard Nimoy to really understand the characters."

TSFS's fall from grace always felt like "guilt by association" because of the odd-numbered thing.
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Old January 11 2014, 04:38 AM   #23
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Re: Even number movie rule

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NEM is better than INS

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Old January 11 2014, 10:08 PM   #24
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but ST III was quite appreciated in its day.
Exactly. I still have, somewhere, a few newspaper movie reviews which favored Trek III over II. Saying TWOK "pads, rather than fills, the wide screen" and that TSFS caught the flavor of the TV series more. "Leave it to Lenoard Nimoy to really understand the characters."

TSFS's fall from grace always felt like "guilt by association" because of the odd-numbered thing.
I remember that our local paper,The Seattle Times,thought that ST III was the best Trek film to date.

True story: I first saw #3 at a special screening hosted by James Doohan and organized by a local Trek fan club. As I recall, a good time was had by all . . . .
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Old January 11 2014, 10:35 PM   #25
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Re: Even number movie rule

Therin of Andor wrote: View Post
Hawkeye_90 wrote: View Post
I am not sure if that rule holds water and what people have against Star Trek III?
I don't recall the "Curse of the odd-numbered films" being mooted until ST V came out.
Dukhat wrote: View Post
People didn't really start bringing this up until STV.
Correct!
Pretty much what I was going to say.

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But yeah, then "Nemesis" tossed that ol' rule away.
And created its own new rule. I hope they're really careful when they make Star Trek XV!
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Old January 12 2014, 12:15 AM   #26
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Re: Even number movie rule

Dukhat wrote: View Post
People didn't really start bringing this up until STV.
Once is an incident, twice is a coincidence, and thrice is a pattern. Until Star Trek V came out there weren't enough films to make a pattern.
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Old January 14 2014, 05:13 PM   #27
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Re: Even number movie rule

At the very least, the rule has been relativized through recent events thanks to Mr. Baird and Mr. Abrams. But even before that, I'm inclined to say that an odd-numbered movie like TSFS was much closer in terms of quality to the group of "good", even-numbered movies than it was to TFF.

Let's say that an even-numbered Trek movie just had a higher likelihood of being "good", but it was far from being a certainty. And good/bad shouldn't be used as absolutes anyway. Films like TWOK, TVH, or FC were good movies, TSFS and TUC were average movies, and TFF, INS, and NEM are examples for bad movies.
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Old January 15 2014, 06:00 AM   #28
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Re: Even number movie rule

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^ It's an easy trick, but it isn't valid. As cool as it is (and it is very, very cool), Galaxy Quest is not a Star Trek movie.
Okay, okay, no Galaxy Quest. How about we look at the films in hex?

1. The Motion Picture
2. The Wrath of Khan
3. The Search For Spock
4. The Voyage Home
5. The Final Frontier
6. The Undiscovered Country
7. Generations
8. First Contact
9. Insurrection
A. Nemesis
B. '09
C. Into Darkness

The odd numbers and odd letters are in bold. It works.
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Old January 16 2014, 05:38 AM   #29
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I would argue that the whole "even/odd number" thing is somewhat overblown. For instance, Star Trek III was a good movie, and Star Trek XI was also a good movie. On the other hand, Star Trek X was crap.
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Old January 17 2014, 04:55 AM   #30
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The more times I see TSFS, the sillier it becomes.
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