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Old January 2 2014, 11:43 PM   #1
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Late Season 4 - A bit weak?

Does anyone else feel that the later part of Season 4 is a bit boring?

I last watched Voyager about 3 years ago, but didn't make it past Season 4. I'm watching Voyager again now but once again, this season is draining my enthusiasm. I did manage to finish the season and looking forward to Season 5 now. I believe I'm at the point where I haven't seen these episodes since they aired, which is kinda interesting.

I'm just wondering if anyone else has similar thoughts about Season 4.
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Old January 3 2014, 12:05 AM   #2
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Re: Late Season 4 - A bit weak?

How late into Season 4 are we talking about? Of the final 12 episodes of the season, the only ones I really didn't like were Vis a Vis and Unforgettable. Demon gets pounded but I didn't think it was that bad and the rest are very enjoyable. Heck, one of my favorite episodes of the entire series, Living Witness, is in this group so that by itself elevates things a little.
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Old January 3 2014, 12:26 AM   #3
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Re: Late Season 4 - A bit weak?

Please, believe me, there is no malice in my heart, when I say that VOYAGER is replete with weak episodes ... from head to toe.
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Old January 3 2014, 02:53 AM   #4
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Re: Late Season 4 - A bit weak?

I was going to disagree with this, but now looking at like the last 5-6 episodes, it is a bit of a weak ending to a season compared to others (except Season 1), especially Seasons 5-7.
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Old January 3 2014, 05:25 PM   #5
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Re: Late Season 4 - A bit weak?

For me I think it starts with "The Killing Game". The whole concept of Nazi Aliens was almost a "jumping the shark" moment for me. The entire episode was just hard to take seriously.

The Omega Directive episode I thought was pretty silly, as if taking a dumb concept and keeping details vague somehow magically makes it intriguing; it doesn't.

Unforgettable? A boring love story with a reset at the end to ensure no meaningful consequences.

Living Witness? An entire episode that takes place in the future and has no impact on "present day" Vogager or any actual plot lines.

Demon? Mediocre episode that's only real saving grace is that it's a precursor for a much more interesting episode that takes place in a later season.

One? The whole concept of the lethal nebula seems not particularly well thought out. Entering the nebula for a few seconds caused an unnamed ensign on the bridge to die and everyone else to suffer severe injuries, yet on the numerous occasions that Tom Paris somehow got himself out of the stasis unit, he suffered no injuries whatsoever. The episode itself was pretty boring too.

Hope and Fear? I thought was actually a decent episode, but a letdown simply in the fact that, as a season ender, it should have been an awesome cliffhanger. The whole quantum slipstream drive concept seemed silly and forced. Somehow they can magically make it work with Voyager when they need to chase the dauntless, and on extremely short notice, but can't make it work on a long-term basis?

Then there is just general stuff, like Tom Paris, as a constant 20th century advocate, whether he's a soldier in WW2 or working on a Camaro, is extremely annoying.

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Old January 3 2014, 05:46 PM   #6
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Re: Late Season 4 - A bit weak?

Should have ended it with one of those Part 1 (of 2) cliffhangers.
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Old January 4 2014, 03:24 AM   #7
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Re: Late Season 4 - A bit weak?

No, not really.
I found s4-5 the two strongest seasons of the series.
I think the most boring season was 3.
It was like the show became pretty directionless during that period and before before the Borg.
There is no ep in s4 as bad as "Favorite Son", "Rise" or "Darkling".

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For me I think it starts with "The Killing Game". The whole concept of Nazi Aliens was almost a "jumping the shark" moment for me. The entire episode was just hard to take seriously.
I think It was fine in this ep., I think Trek jumped the shark when they did it AGAIN on ENT. I think "The Killing Game" is refreshing for me is they FINALLY based a Trek story in Europe and from a European pov instead of everything taking place in America.

The Omega Directive episode I thought was pretty silly, as if taking a dumb concept and keeping details vague somehow magically makes it intriguing; it doesn't.
I thought it was only vague the first 15mins, after that they explain what Omega was. However, I thought the bigger theme of the ep was Seven looking for God?


Living Witness? An entire episode that takes place in the future and has no impact on "present day" Vogager or any actual plot lines.
It wasn't meant to have impact on Voyager but rather the impact false details in history has on a culture(s) and how those in power manipulate those details to keep it. I saw it as a representation of what happened in L.A. that caused the Watts riots in 1965



One? The whole concept of the lethal nebula seems not particularly well thought out. Entering the nebula for a few seconds caused an unnamed ensign on the bridge to die and everyone else to suffer severe injuries, yet on the numerous occasions that Tom Paris somehow got himself out of the stasis unit, he suffered no injuries whatsoever. The episode itself was pretty boring too.
I thought that was Seven's mind playing tricks on her?
I thought it was a great ep. that showed the psychological damage the Borg did to Seven. It was boring when the did THE EXACT SAME STORY on ENT., especially since Pholox has been off of his own world long enough to adjust and should of had a psychological evaluation well before the ship launched.

Hope and Fear? I thought was actually a decent episode, but a letdown simply in the fact that, as a season ender, it should have been an awesome cliffhanger. The whole quantum slipstream drive concept seemed silly and forced. Somehow they can magically make it work with Voyager when they need to chase the dauntless, and on extremely short notice, but can't make it work on a long-term basis?
"Timeless" will explain this.
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